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This cop has quite a record.
37 yrs. old and seven fatal shootings under his belt? Hero or villain? What a read this is.
Family of man in fatal police shooting filing lawsuit against Scottsdale by Laurie Merrill - Sept. 23, 2012 08:45 PM The family of a man who was holding his grandson when Scottsdale police fatally shot the man in February will file a federal lawsuit against the city Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona has announced. The plaintiffs are relatives of John Loxas, who was 50 when Scottsdale police responded to a report of a man threatening neighbors with a gun on Feb. 14, said Alessandra Soler, executive director of ACLU of Arizona. In a statement, Soler said the police-misconduct suit stems from "the brutal killing of a man holding a seven-month-old baby." The ACLU is planning a news conference Monday, with Loxas' relatives and ACLU attorneys representing them, Soler said. The officer who pulled the trigger, James Peters, 37, had been involved in six previous fatal shootings, according to the Scottsdale Police Department. Peters was placed on administrative leave following the shooting, which is standard procedure, and the department began a use-of-force investigation. A Public Safety Personnel Retirement System in June granted Peters, 37, a $4,500 a month disability retirement plan. It was unclear late Sunday if the Arizona State Retirement System had subsequently approved the retirement. The status of investigations into the shooting also could not be established Sunday. Peters was one of six officers who responded to 9-1-1 calls from neighbors who said Loxas was threatening them with a gun in the 7700 block of East Garfield Street, near Hayden and McKellips roads. According to one 911 call, the neighbors said Loxas was pushing his 9-month-old grandson in a stroller when he kicked a neighbor's trash can into the street. When another neighbor went to pick it up, Loxas returned with the baby in his arms and started yelling, "You got a problem with that?" the caller tells the dispatcher. "The guy pulls out a gun, cocks it and aimed it at him." When officers arrived, Loxas had returned to his house, but came to the door with the baby in his arms, police said. Peters and another officer told investigators that they saw a black object in Loxas' hand. Loxas turned to go back inside when Peters, who was standing 18 feet away at the edge of the driveway, shot him in the head with his patrol rifle, police said. "(Loxas) was holding the baby in his left arm in front of his upper body and face," said Scottsdale Police Sgt. Mark Clark, a spokesman. "Moments later, he reached down to his right, lowering the baby, clearly exposing his head and upper body. "Officer Peters responded to the movement with a single shot (to) the suspect's head. The suspect fell to the ground and the baby was rescued by officers. The suspect died instantly." Peters "felt he had to prevent him from re-entering the house," Clark said. "The intent was to rescue the baby." Investigators later determined that Loxas was not carrying a gun but had a cellphone in his pants pocket. A search warrant yielded a loaded pistol "a few feet from where the suspect fell inside the residence," Clark said. "It was wedged between the arm and cushion of a chair a few feet away from where he fell." It is the same pistol believed to have been used to threaten neighbors, he said. A loaded shotgun also was found near a chair a few feet from the pistol, Clark said. In addition, police found at least eight "Airsoft" type rifles and pistols, as well as "a functional improvised explosive device," he said. Loxas lived in the house alone and baby-sat his grandson often, police said. The home was filled with garbage and clutter and a city inspector who went through the home after Loxas' death determined the home to be uninhabitable, Clark said. In 2010, Scottsdale police were called to the house because Loxas was threatening neighbors with a pistol, police said. He has been arrested at least once, police said. The 911 caller told the dispatcher that this wasn't the first time that Loxas had pointed a gun at neighbors. Several neighbors said that house parties were frequently held at the man's home, often lasting until 3 a.m. or later. Residents of two nearby homes said they had filed noise complaints with police. Each of the previous shootings tied to Peters were deemed justified through an internal investigation as well as an external investigation by the Maricopa County Attorney's Office. Peters' was linked to a fatal shooting in March 2010. In that case, Peters shot and killed a man suspected in a string of bank robberies. At the time, The Republic reported that the city had settled in 2009 with the family of one of the people involved in a different fatal shooting for $75,000 but denied liability. In another case, Peters was honored for his actions in responding to a hostage situation and the hostage thanked the officer for saving his life and shooting the hostage taker. Peters also was involved in other shooting incidents, police said. Nov. 3, 2002: Peters was one of three SWAT officers who fired at Albert Redford after a nearly four-hour standoff at Redford's north Scottsdale home. Officers had been called in relation to a report of domestic violence. Officers fired a total of seven shots, striking Redford three times. March 25, 2003: Peters shot and killed Brent Bradshaw, 47, of Scottsdale. Officers had responded to shotgun blasts at Bradshaw's home. Three hours later, police found Bradshaw wandering along the Arizona Canal at Miller and Chaparral roads, carrying a shotgun. Officers tried unsuccessfully to get him to put down the gun. Oct. 10, 2005: Peters shot and killed Mark Wesley Smith, a burglary suspect, during a confrontation outside an auto-body shop near Hayden and McKellips roads. Smith was smashing car windows in a rage outside the body shop. Autopsy reports would later show that he was high on methamphetamine. April 23, 2006: Peters shot and killed Brian Daniel Brown, 28, who took a Safeway employee hostage after Brown hijacked a Krispy Kreme delivery truck in Peoria. Peters received a Medal of Valor for this incident in June 2007. Aug. 30, 2006: Peters and Officer Tom Myers fatally shot Kevin Hutchings after Hutchings fired at least one round at police outside his northeast Mesa home. Scottsdale police were trying to talk to Hutchings about a Scottsdale assault that evening of a longtime acquaintance of Hutchings. Hutchings' family sued the city and eventually settled out of court for $75,000, city officials said. Feb. 17, 2010: Peters and Scottsdale Detective Scott Galbraith shot Jimmy Hammack Jr., 46, after Hammack drove his truck toward detectives who were investigating him as a suspect in three Scottsdale bank robberies and two in Phoenix. Hammack later died of his injuries. On Feb. 17, Ryan McKinnon, vice president of the Scottsdale Fraternal Order of Police, released the following: "The night of February 14, 2012, was deeply tragic, as is any encounter that results in the loss of a life. Just as every police-involved shooting is investigated thoroughly and objectively, so will the events of February 14 be investigated. "The more than 325 members of the Scottsdale Fraternal Order of Police hope that, as we await the results of that investigation, calm will prevail in our City and no one will rush to judgment about what happened that night or about our colleague, Officer James Peters. "We remind all concerned that justice has at its core facts, not emotions, and that every Scottsdale police officer considers the use of force the most critical decision any law enforcement member can make. "No officer begins a shift knowing how the night will end. But tonight, as they have since (Feb. 14) our thoughts and our prayers go out to everyone touched by the night in question, from Jim Peters and his family to the Loxas family to the neighbors impacted by what happened before their eyes." |
Well, obviously he's a damn good shot!
Usually they empty X (insert number of your choice) magazines and only manage to wound bystanders. I say - give him full retirement and make him the Police Firing-Range Master. |
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Sounds more like a very effective Cop, who eliminates Threats very effectively... If someone dies while committing a crime, the families shouldn't be able to sue and profit off it. |
If the city paid out $75k per justified shooting, Mr. Peters probably, in the end, saved the city $millions in court and incarceration costs. The man is a gosh dang hero.
What I don't understand is how this Loxas character was still free when he seemed to make a habit out of brandishing a weapon at his neighbors. I'm suprised the neighbors didn't take care of that before the cops arrived. |
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his advice can be: "meh, it gets easier each time..be patient" i've read most cops dont even pull their pistols over the duration of a career..maybe times are changing. |
Had an Officer in Seattle like that in the late '70's......I knew him, a great guy. Worked in an aggressive manner and was always the 1st on scene when things went bad.......The stress got to him early on and he left the Dept. - still at a young age.......Sad deal.........
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______________________ "A man has got to know his limitations." * LT. Harry Callahan ( spoken to an empty chair. ) |
Several of the shootings sound legitimate BUT in this case. They shot an unarmed man who answered the door of his own home. He was carrying a baby and doesn,t sound like he threatened the officers. The cop was already drawing a bead on him with a rifle from the sidewalk so he had already decided he was dangerous/guilty without the bother of a trial or even a chance to deny he did anything wrong.
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1) police were responding to a MWAG call, so heightened tension and gunplay are very likely 2) suspect ignored their commands and retreated to house 3) he then reached for something while retreating. This might even be suicide by cop. Why would you reach for a cell phone when the cops have guns trained on you? To call the cops? Cancel dinner reservations? If there were any negligence on the part of the police, I'd say it was shooting a guy holding a baby, when he could have easily fallen on top of the kid and killed it. As it turns out, he had two loaded guns nearby and very likely was retreating to grab one of them. We're all better off without this scumbag. |
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I hope you're both kidding... The cop is a coward. Yes, they guy was dangerous, but you don't shoot unarmed citizens... ...and at this point the cop had no proof he was actually using the pistol. What if the caller was a liar and this guy was just a sleepy dad? Yeah, it's a stretch, but this shot was conviction without trial. |
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I'd like to buy him a beer. He's too busy shooting bad guys to write tickets.
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Note that the cops found all these weapons riiiiight where he fell. What a coincidence! And what a slob - living in an uninhabitable home - of course he needed killing - at 18 feet (!) with a rifle, nevertheless.
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And I don't care that it may have turned out a good call - it could also have turned out the guy was just deranged, the neighbors made stuff up and didn't have a weapon in the whole house. OOOPS. G |
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You couldn't pay me to turn and walk away from police who were holding rifles pointed at me, much less get me to reach in my pocket and pull out any object. Most likely I would stand stock still and do exactly as I was told.
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I am not saying the cops planted guns at the guy's home, but they certainly could have "found them" closer by than they were. Who is at the scene first and running the investigation? You really think they aren't occasionally re-arranging things in their favor? G |
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Sounds to me like this guy has a way of finding and defusing trouble, in the process saving multiple innocent lives. He's also one hell of a shot. The guy with a baby sounds a little Dirty Harry, but it also sounds like it was very much a tense and volatile situation. It's not like they showed up because of a noise complaint, the guy was threatening a neighbor with a gun. Not exactly normal balanced behavior. |
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I can assure you that is not the case in LA County...... |
Saw this on the evening news. Not a plus for the community.
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They're probably saying "IED" instead of "Pipe Bomb" nowdays 'cause it sounds scarier/more "military." Say a dude has a pipe bomb and he's a crazy guy, say he's got an IED and now he's a terrorist.
I was gonna say they should get Clint to play this cop but I was afraid it'd degenerate into empty chair jokes too quickly. |
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Double-barrel. ;)
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...so non compliance with police orders is now immediately punishable by death?
You guys know NOTHING about the situation yet you are comfortable pronouncing a death sentence. I expect that on PARF, not here. Maybe he couldnt put his hands up because he was holding a baby. Maybe he needed to put the baby down rather than drop it? The simple fact is that the police got a call from someone about MWAG and responded. A man came to the door with a baby, and then didnt drop the baby and put his hands up, moved his arm, and was killed for it. I can think of 100 situations that could play out like this and not deserve execution. The cop that shot him was ready to shoot someone because he already had a rifle trained on the guy. Are you telling me that he felt so threatened by an arm movement because he couldnt pull the trigger in time if the guy did pull a gun? prety sure i can twitch my finger faster than any of you can draw and fire. Dissapointed to say the least. |
Chris, Chris, Chris...why are you trying to be rational on a gun thread? PPOT or PARF, when it comes to gun threads, it's all the same. When the going gets strange, the strange turn pro. SmileWavy
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Captain: "What we have here is a failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men."
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348579379.jpg One of my favorite movies! Seems appropriate here... Was Loxas some petty miscreant or a total menace to society? It seems Peters was fairly sure. As for police framing this, I'd bet they put the best spin on it they could but I doubt they manufactured anything. This guy gave them plenty to work with all on his own. |
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still looking for numbers
citizen killed by police vs cops killed they add up the few shot cops every year even keep multi-year totals by city state and national but never give the number the cops shot or killed I think any thing over 1 to 1 is too high and strongly suspect the real number is 100 citizen for every shot cop and cops always shoot first in these attacks on citizens in their homes |
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Awful business. Based on the OP I would bet Peters is a good cop but so many shootings. You have to ask some questions. Maybe it's the area he served in but so many is really troubling.
And to shoot someone while they're carrying a child is extreme to say the least. They may have ordered him to do someone and he didn't comply. Ok... So they need to do something before he gets back inside the house. Reaching for a cell phone at that time sealed the guys fate. Based on the info in the OP I think Peters did the right thing. Think about the child... I can't imagine such a decorated officer taking that risk without justification. This reminds me of another incident discussed here. Some time ago there was a thread here about a cop who chased someone near a river. The video showed clearly that as the cop got closer the guy he was chasing pulled a pistol. The cop was carrying a pistol in his right hand and a stun gun in his left. As soon as he saw the pistol he used the stun gun and brought the guy down. Risky to say the least... I still think that cop was lucky and he would have been justified in shooting the guy rather than using the stun gun. |
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or the number of bad shootings like this one no gun on the guy he was armed with a baby but murdered by the state's cops I bet the real numbers are 1-100 or way more cop are a clear and present danger to the citizen we have trigger happy cops who kill and stay on the force my solution kill a citizen who is unarmed never be a cop again anywhere we need to weed out bad trigger happy cops as the cops sure will never do it to themselves |
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shaun..i would like to pre-order the t-shirt with this quote now. i'll take two, in LARGE. on the back you can put down.."coffee burns coming out of nose". |
Sounds like James Peters looked for opportunities to kill people in situations where other officers would have looked for ways to not have to do that. It's as if he looked at it from a point of view where he gleefully "gets" to kill someone, where other officers are very reluctant when they "have" to kill someone.
There were five other officers there. I would be willing to bet not a single one of them even considered shooting a guy holding a baby, or thought for a moment he posed an immediate threat to any of them. I would be willing to bet their raction was more like "oh crap, what did he do that for?" than "thank god, he (the suspect) could have killed us". Once the deed was done, though, they fall in lockstep back to their side of the "thin blue line". What's it going to take to bring this to an end? |
I wasn't there. So I'll sit out of the arm chair quarterbacking. Sometimes the cops need to take out the trash. 7 times? damn. not so sure.
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Assuming he's a "good guy" he may just be unlucky or the area he served in is a Zoo. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. ;) |
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