What do you consider long range? If It's shtf in So Cal and society will return to normal withen 6 months I would hate to say " I feared for my life, they where within 1,000 yards." I have everything covered as far as what I need out to that range but to be honest if they're outside of 100 feet your not really going to stand well with a court.

With my house I don't have line of sight bast 200 yards. I'm on a hill overlooking most of the flatland in North Orange County.


If you ever do want to go up to burrow canyon send me a pm. We can take some garands after the first rain.

what i have noticed over and over here.....................there isnt one damn thing mentioned that i dont already have, due to hunting ALL MY LIFE!

whats the difference btwn bugging out and going HUNTING?


think about it.


ricklee YOU and I ARE 55 miles from the largest nuke plant evar BUILT!


and when/if it evar takes a giant dump, YOU/I have only a few survivable options.


1) we aint going south towards messiko............no water and all of their spoon b.s.

2) going east is a sure death sentence due to prevailing westerlies carrying rads to the east.

3) once past I-40 north their aint no water until wayyy up into utah, except for cattle tanks and seeps. the colorado river is already polluted.

4) how much can ya carry? every road will be clogged to poo.

5) why would ya take a pissant .22/.410. why allow anybody bad to get within that range? a 1000 yds is too damn close for all intense purposes.

6) anybody better KNOW how to live off the land, if they plan on being alive for any time frame.

7) without electricity, there is no gas station ie. new york new jersey right now.

8) how will you know how many RADS you have picked up without proper instrumentation. oh yeah lets carry a geiger counter on top of 5 cases of MRE's on our backs...............NOT!

9) how many miles will yer vehicle go on a tank of fuel. figure that, go in YOUR direction, draw a circle and thats where yer gonna end up dying.

10) HE WHO HAS THE MOST WATER and THE BEST SHELTER WINS! and i know EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE GOING! and most people dont even have THAT AS A CLUE!



theres only (3) what if's in my play book:

1) nuke plant takes a giant mechanical poo.

2) nuke plant hit by terrorists

3) nuklar war


i dont have to worry about:

fire

earthquake

floods

tsunamis

hurrykanes etc.



30 minutes and i am out the door for either hunting or the end of the world. because thats how i roll. even mr snuggles will be humping a PACK FULL OF AMMO!

OJU,

You and I think alike. You have a ballpark idea where our place is and it works well with the scenarios above. I can go off road and get there, will just take longer.

i could get to yer pad off road from my house, you could get to our pad offroad from your house. quad or bike or jeep.


we have drank a gazzilion beers over this topic around campfires, then throw in red dawn for added DRAMA.............and ya gots all the crap ya could evar sink yer teeth into.


i am really only concerned with things i cant see.................


1) radiation

2) electricity

3) land mines/IED's

4) snipers


you say "why electricity?" well if a gazziga volt powerline is down out of your sight and you step or drive into that water............well guess what yer toast. the others are obvious.



in a chernobyl situation which is worst case..............i am the hell GONE many miles away cross country.


i have played with nukes. built icbm missile nose cones, nuklar bomb trigger components, machined radiated parts, been inside project mercury los alamos white sands trinity sites. this isnt a game, its the real deal. if a west coast nuke plant gets nailed by accident or bad guys.............we are screwed big time due to westerlies.



it all depends on the weather on that fateful day. so i have "plan A thru plan z" in place.



theres not a damn bit of difference from what i carry hunting than what i would carry in a SHTF scenario. both are survival situations miles and miles and miles from any help. walking/jeeping/dirty biking/quad..................its all the same.



water is the key. fresh water thats not and cannot be contaminated.


its all bad anyway ya look at it. quality of life will be POO X a MILL-YON for the next 25,000 years.


so reality says yer only prolonging things in the case of nuklar war, as there are sooooo damn many nukes out there its pathetic, and they make hurrykane sandy look like kindergarten.


doubt me? just google project mercury and look how BIG the CRATERS ARE! stand next to one like i have and YOU WILL GET A WHOLE NUTHER VIEW OF WHAT NUKES ARE ALL ABOUT!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1352046490.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1352046514.jpg

man thats a blast from the past...............i freeking must of have been hanging around too many RADS as back then i had ALL BROWN HAIR! LMFAO!


pictured trinity site

palo verde nuklar gen station (PVNGS) what a crack up my old john baker d-50 mush abishi prerunner with score off road steeker. sheet that was like 1982.

and old oppenheimers house where he put the damn thing together before mounting on tower back in july 1945.



yeah nukes are safe.................MY AZZ!


3 mile island

chernobyl

fuk u fukashima.


im not gonna bet my life ever on that statement..........."nukes are safe". yeah until the next hurrykane/tsunami/earthquake or moron who drops a wrench down into a icbm silo and punctures the fuel cell..............yeah ya probably forgot about that one.


or howz bouts the lost nuke off of savannah georgia?????



its yer classic modern day "genie in a bottle".

He said this:

You said this:

What he said I do not find offensive, just a bit of a jab but all in good fun. Making a generalization that all people who vote for Obama are anti-gun is not the same thing as saying that Obama is Kenya's village idiot. For one, you are implying that Africans or at least Kenyans are less intelligent than people from other countries. For another, Obama was born in Hawaii. So who is the idiot here?

Max.... Save your breath bro....

Prove it.... with a REAL, not doctored, birth certificate.

good point!! but if i were a bad guy..and the world is all dark, and i see one house with the lights on because they were prepared..i would snipe them from far away. a long rifle is to get them first.. i'm not talking, mega quake, sit tight FEMA is on the way..i talking S cant hit the fan, because there is never going to be electricity ever again, so the fan is not on. i dont think all bad guys would engage close distance. 150gr bullets coming at them in rapid succession says, "you are not welcome here!"

honestly, i just want that rifle..hahah. i am certainly not all doom/gloom.b :D

plus it would be the best pig hunting rifle. ever.

I dont have a bug out bag per se, but all the related things i would need are all basically in one room of my house so I could throw one together pretty quickly. I do have a bugout bag for my dogs though. I have a number of large duffle bags and waterproof Pelican cases to toss everything in.

I'm in surburban NJ/NY near the shore, so any mass exodus would be a nitemare. I'd much prefer to stay put in my house if possible. I always have enough food on hand for at least two weeks , plus i have about 10 cases of MRE's. All of my vehicles have some kind of emergeny bag in them( except the p-car...) with enough things to hold out for about a week or so.
My biggest worry would be the possibility of being separated from my family if something did go down, and not being able to get home.

Luckily, I am on my own 10 acres with woods and stream, moderately armed, knowledgable in self sufficiency and survival training. I burn wood and have about 10 cords split so cooking and heat is not an issue. We have hurricane lamps and plenty of flashlights and candles for short term, and alot of stored food for long term.

I will never live in a metro area, but if I did, I would certainly have a well stocked backpack for each member of the family along with a handgun and knife for each to be able to protect ourselves and our supplies. I would also have a mapped escape route with alternative options to leave the city and get to wilderness where we could camp out for awhile.

Justification for the shorter barrel right here. 16" barrels in 7.62x51 is pretty LOUD


They don't work well with cheap mags