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balistc 01-03-2013 06:04 AM

Ahhhhhhhhh espresso. My other love other than Porsches and my family.

I'm a fiend for good equipment. At home I've got an Izzo Alex Duetto II (a dual boiler PID controlled rotary pump marvel) and a Mazzer Mini E grinder.

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My old Expobar Megacrem (which was matched to a Compak K8 Silenzio).

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My old Rancilio Silvia (matched to a pair of Rocky grinders), with Auber PID controller.

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At my cafe, I've got a 3 group Ruggero (basically a customised Expobar), with individual boiler and PID per group, 1x Mazzer Robur grinder for house blend and 2x Mazzer Kony doser grinders for single origin and decaf. I've also got a Yama tower for cold drip coffee.

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At my office and in the staff kitchen at my bakery, I've got a more simple setup... 2x Saeco Royal Cappuccino super autos.. Convenience plus. (no photos of these though, they're nothing to write home about)



The secret to good espresso is fresh beans and a good grinder, and knowing what to do with them .. The quality/price of the machine comes last, so as long as it can create acceptable temperature and pressure, if the rest of the process is up to scratch, you'll get a half decent cup.

A good start is a Rancilio Silvia. Although the price of these has gone up, you simply can't get a proper commercial quality machine at home for any less. You can retro fit an Auber PID controller to make brew and steam temp more accurate, although this pushes the price of the whole setup closer to some other superior home machines. The matching Rancilio Rocky grinder isn't too bad, but it can clump the grinds up. A Compak or Baratza grinder is a good step up, or a Mazzer grinder for the big spenders.

As for temp, all of my machines are set at 91-92 degrees Celsius, as this suits the custom blend i have made for my cafe (and subsequently use at home, office and bakery), with the exception of the super autos.. They aren't as customisable in their programming. I've found in the past that 91-94 degrees Celsius is the sweet spot for most coffees beans, although it pays to experiment if your machine has the temperature tuneability.

Ps if you want the best of the best, look up the Kees Van Der Westen Speedster.

scottmandue 01-03-2013 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 7106991)
Guess I'm too lazy. We bought a Nespresso machine a few years ago. Uses those pre-made/measured canisters. Been great for us. Has a milk frother if you're so inclined too.

I must confess... wife saw one of these on sale for Christmas so we are giving it a go... probably not the best but it will do for now. Hopefully I will get her hooked and will get a 'real' machine somewhere down the road.

We did find they have reloadable cartages and I found a can I ILLY on sale at the supermarket, been using that for now.

madmmac 01-03-2013 07:25 AM

If you bought the separate frother, do not leave it on the impulse base when not in use.

gtc 01-03-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 7185730)
For my machine to get a nice 165 or 170 degree shot I need to have the water right at boiling, which is about 202 here, and I need to 'shoot a blank' BWAHAHAHAHA to get the plastic water lines and the brew group preheated a little bit.

+1, this is what I found I had to do with my old Capresso pump-driven machine.

balistc 01-03-2013 08:30 PM

The only problem with Nespresso is the cost of the pods... in Australia anyway (I'm not sure what the pods cost in the USA).

Here, the absolute best of the best bean costs $44 per kg. The Nespresso pods work out to between $120-$150kg, going off the cost of a sleeve of 10 pods, and allowing 5g of coffee in each pod (which is the official net weight of the contents).

With 5g of coffee per pod, anything longer than a ristretto is going to be bitter.. simply because its "underdosing". In a manual type setup, an underdose provides watery bitter coffee. The watery coffee doesn't occur with Nespresso, because the machines are designed to agitate the liquid in a way which creates artificial crema.. not the real crema you get from fresh roast fresh ground coffee.


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