Alonso - 2012 F1 World Champion!

[BReif61]

Originally Posted by legion

This is exactly why I don't like Alonso.

While I'm not a huge Alonso fan, you have to say he is incredibly talented. But at the same time...

I'm not a fan of Ferrari as a whole. I think that's where the problem truly lies in this case. They come across as the spoiled child that likes to see how far it can push its luck.

The commentators did a good job of presenting the whole Alonso/Ferrari/FIA tryst during the race even. Alonso was lapping WAAAAAYYYYYYYYY behind Button/Hulkenburg, and cried about some debris in a corner to his engineers and BAM. Safety car. P1/P2 advantage: gone.

[Tervuren]

I do not think Ferrari had such a bad car as Sammy believes. When I look at it, they had a great car, a championship winning car. The design gave them an aero edge, just the driver was rarely ever able to set the car up correctly, and Ferrari forcing Massa into a solid B driver position meant that Massa wasn't stealing points from other drivers.

Clifford was a lot faster than Alonso fans will let on. Massa was off his usual pace I will admit, but he picked it up, and was solidly beating Alonso where it not for Ferrari strategy that kept him behind Alonso.

I didn't like Alonso at Renault, I didn't like him at Mclaren, and I don't really like him at Ferrari. The crap between him and Hamilton at Mclaren, was pretty bad. The real driver in the field, that did very well in a car that wasn't a top car(yet), was Kimi.

[BReif61]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

The real driver in the field, that did very well in a car that wasn't a top car(yet), was Kimi.

At least when he wasn't busy getting lost behind the ARMCO.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

no comment buy rules in F1 get pushed to the limit and a little beyond on and off the track, will be intereting to see where the limits are on this

Well this is not surprising considering that Jean Todt is the President of the FIA. Lets see... oh thats right, he ran the Ferarri F-1 team before moving to the FIA! Funny how things usually go the way Ferarri want them to....

[nota]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I don't like alonso because someone else besides him asked for an interpretation of the rules because millions of dollars is at stake and I decided to blame alonso for it because i don't like him because someone else did something that I blame alonso for even though he didn't like it just because I don't like him ..........

I couldn't stand to look myself in the mirror if i was that emotional and illogical.

NO the money is for the WCC not the WDC

there is no none nota money for being the driver champ
all the money is based on the WCC points [team] standings

and even if seabass is DQ for the non-yellow pass it does not change the WCC
point standings RB won by alot

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by BReif61

At least when he wasn't busy getting lost behind the ARMCO.

"leave me alone, I know what to do..."

[kang]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yes, it is the same lap. Look at the youtube video with the telemetry from 0:12 to 0:17 or so - you will see the two big rain drops going down the camera lens, one in the center that eventually obscures the red light array on the steering wheel, and the other that eventually "hits" the left rear view mirror. Same droplets are visible in the video without the telemetry. Telemetry is dubbed in by the TV station, and not all do it, even though they share the same feed. Seb is innocent.

Thanks, I'll buy that.

[kang]

Originally Posted by nostatic

"leave me alone, I know what to do..."

He claims he did know what he was doing!!!!!

Kimi: I knew what I was doing

[nostatic]

Hands down the favorite moment for both me and my wife this season. This has become a meme in our house

[intakexhaust]

Always a fan of F1 but despise whiners. Unfortunately in F1, its seems mandatory the second place loser always looks for the infraction. Lots of coin at stake.

The race, judging, car post inspection done and the cork was popped... season over. Alonso and Ferrari can take it up next year.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Hands down the favorite moment for both me and my wife this season. This has become a meme in our house

Same here!

leave me alone T-Shirt by tshirtsbye2

[nostatic]

Awesome. xmas present for the wife found.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

Always a fan of F1 but despise whiners. Unfortunately in F1, its seems mandatory the second place loser always looks for the infraction. Lots of coin at stake.

The race, judging, car post inspection done and the cork was popped... season over. Alonso and Ferrari can take it up next year.

Brazil does bring a lot of controversy, they got the entire podium ceremony with the wrong drivers in the wrong places, and even a wrong driver on the podium once. That went to court, and was eventually solved.

[motion]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Brazil does bring a lot of controversy, they got the entire podium ceremony with the wrong drivers in the wrong places, and even a wrong driver on the podium once. That went to court, and was eventually solved.

No kidding! Who could forget Massa's almost championship a few years ago? And, wasn't it Brazil where the attempted kidnapping of JB occurred?

[Rtrorkt]

maybe they can find a way for a deserving guy to get it, don't like either Vettel or Alonso. Maybe Button.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Awesome. xmas present for the wife found.

You are not alone... buying one myself!

[legion]

Originally Posted by Rtrorkt

maybe they can find a way for a deserving guy to get it, don't like either Vettel or Alonso. Maybe Button.

Well, I'm sure there are illegal technologies on all of the cars in the grid. I especially suspect that the Red Bulls have some form of traction control. (I don't recall seeing one slip or wriggle once the past season.) But based on recent history, the FIA will only punish one team for such misdeads.

[Joeaksa]

Wish there was a "like" button here! ^^^ is spot on!

[ZOA NOM]

Not sure I care much either way, but Vettel indeed passed under yellow. Good explanation in this clip

[Won]

Exclusive analysis: Why Vettel's pass was legal - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

With the use of lights, due to increased visibility, the track can be divided up into fewer sectors as line-of-sight is not always needed between them. At Interlagos, there were 22 marshals' posts while the FIA installed 16 light panels, which means there was overlap in places. The warning lights are also linked to the display in the cockpit.

According to high level FIA sources, the light panel that was showing yellow for Pastor Maldonado's stricken Williams was shown 100 metres before the next marshal post, which was located near the exit of the pitlane.

At this marshal's post a green flag was being waved on lap four - at the same time as the light signal at Turn Four was displaying green.

The separation of these two posts was about 350 metres and FIA race director Charlie Whiting has made it clear to drivers since lights were introduced more than five years ago that when there are consecutive signals from both a flag and a light, it is the first one that counts.

Vettel had to charge back through the tail-endersSo if, for example, a yellow flag is displayed followed later by a yellow light, then the no overtaking area begins at the first yellow signal which would be the flag.

So, as happened in the Vettel case, if a driver is given a green warning flag followed by a green warning light, it is the first green that counts.

Vettel's pass took place after the first green flag but before the green light, so was wholly legitimate.

I'm not an Alonso fan, but I though he really deserved the title this year. Having said that, Vettel also drove a couple great races from dead last (especially for the one that mattered) so I think he more than proved himself.

Even if there was a case, I'm glad FIA didn't fix the results after the fact. It couldn't have been a good thing for the sport as a whole.