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Rapewta,
perfectly put. Great car, zero collector value. I want my 911 to be driveable after 40 years and still have some value. I want my 911 to look like a 911, inside and out. I'd be mighty p*ssed if my engines lunches itself because of a problem the factory knew very well about yet did nothing for *10 years*! |
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Flat 6 Innovations Last I heard a full rebuild is on the order of $15k, which coincidentally is about what an air-cooled rebuild will cost you. BTW, you failed to insert your personal experience with the 986/996. I'm sure such a reply is bolstered by personal experience? |
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Have looked at my location? Personal experience? none besides having driven a few, which were great. My mechanic of 20 years has stopped looking afetr them completely because of the drama it raises every time a customer has to swallow *the* bill. There have been 5 or 6 that I can remeber of in my 100.000 paople area in the last 5 years. News travel fast. And yes, I can take an air-cooled engin apart and change head studs, and have valve quides changed by a local pro (not in Atlanta...). For less than a 996 swap (as provided here in the Swiss Alps). Again we agree tha they are good cars, only poor 911s, in the historical sense of what a 911 was and should be. |
George, if you can do a head job or rebuild on an air-cooled motor then you can do the same on an M96. But either is beyond the skill of the average DIY mechanic.
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Matt fully agree,
Except the failure mode of these water engines is usually catastrophic, and requires more work and special tools that the mere mechanic does not have. Do you know the procedure and tools to bleed the coolant in a 996? Anyway there is a reason the air cooled 911 forum is very much alive here (2 mil. threads vs. 7 thousand). The majority of people here prefer the older cars, which are more representative of the 911. There is a reason why the water cooled prices have dropped lower than the air/oil cooled prices. There is a reason why all the interesting 996s, turbos and GTs have 964 derived blocks, and do not display the type of expensive failures that are like a Damocles' sword above the head of owners, and which causes the price drop. Can you live with all that? very good, more power to you. Funny thing is that you'll arrive on top of the mountain pass faster than I do in my oiler. But I'll have fun (in my view), and won't drive an appliance that has the residual value of a used camry... |
George, bleeding the coolant is no more complicated than any water cooled motor. Pelican has a write up on the topic here: Pelican Technical Article: Boxster Coolant Replacement / Boxster Coolant Flush - 986 / 987
I don't want to come across as bashing the air-cooled cars, hell I currently own an '88 Targa. I just think the water cooled ones get a bad rap by people that really know nothing of them. They are a different but still similar experience to the older cars, and are better in many ways. As for the issues I have taken that gamble five times without a second thought, frankly the odds are in your favor that you'll get a good one. As I said earlier, if you're worried about the IMS (the one M96 fatal flaw) that can be remedied with a $600 improved IMS bearing. As for value, it wasn't long ago that a nice SC was $10k here in the USA. As with most cars, depreciation and subsequent appreciation takes the form of a curve. Every car needs to bottom out in value, and I doubt you'll ever see a nice 996 for less than $15k. |
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