Yea, it's amazing how much a woman will complain about every little short coming when thier man isn't necasarily romantic, have money or a good job, doesn't look like an underwear model, or drinks/gambles/curses too much. NOW, take that same guy and make him famous with loads of cash, and all of a sudden, hot girls are falling all over him.

Just look at the girls Larry King, Hugh Hefner, and Donald Trump have been married/linked to and explain it any other way.

I ain't saying she's a gold diggah...

Think about it... What have men done to get to that little triangle? Wars have been fought for the pleasure.

Men in general are much more likely to be needy and they often think the puppy dog routine is attractive to women. :rolleyes:

How many not so attractive women or just plain butt ugly, barrel shaped "bushpig" types do you know who have good self esteem? It defies logic but I've met plenty.
~~~~ And there's a line up of guys waiting their turn for freeish sex. Yuck...

Women have the power. They always have.

The guy in the southern comfort commercial has the right idea.

There must be millions who are desperate otherwise there wouldn't be so many damned commercials for match.com etc. where the whole idea is to get married.

I did very well on Match for years with no intention at all of getting married. In fact, letting anyone think you're looking for a spouse can be a huge turn off. Women only have the power over men who let them have it.

Bingo ! But I know a lot who do just that.

Rick, are a lot of the people on there just looking to date? I'm sure it makes a lot more sense than at work or bars or whatever. I only know one guy who used it and he met his wife pretty quickly, now they're happily married with a kid.

Ok, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I see many girls like that. Some of my friends even. But it goes the other way as well. I know plenty of guys who won't go for a woman who isn't thin, has a certain chest size, who doesn't have a back side, etc. Now I am not complaining. I am one of the few women you will find that doesn't find that degrading in the sense I try to look at everything in its simplest form. Men are visual. Women are looking for someone to support them and their children. And nobody get on me about the whole "it's 2012" thing and that we as humans are better than that. I know that. It's about survival and although we forget, we are part of the animal world. That being said, I do believe some of our species have evolved. I, for one, understand how men are visual and may subconsciously choose a mate because of physical attributes that may increase the likelihood of reproducing, but that doesn't mean I have to fall into the usual strategy of women. Since I am financially able, I do not rely on my physical attributes to attract a male because honestly, a man who is more heavily relying on looks is most likely to expect me to be more the traditional female. Not all the time, but a higher chance. On the same thought pattern, I do not seek men with a lot of money. I like men who are self sufficient but not "rich" per se. Don't get me wrong. I like men who have the potential to become financially successful but whether or not they become rich or not is irrelevant. Only their passion for their goals and career are important. Since I am self sufficient, it doesn't matter. Ok, now flip side. Men used to have be concerned about producing enough offspring to have adequate amount of their offspring survive. Which long ago, meant you mated with enough females to do that. So, I would say they mated with a lot "good-looking" females with physical attributes that made it more likely the offspring would survive. Nowadays, that isn't such a factor anymore. Stable living conditions at home (financially and socially) are higher indicators your offspring is more likely to "survive" successfully. So, some males have evolved as well. Not relying so much on looks but rather attributes that may indicate a woman was able to be a partner in providing a more stable, both financially and socially, home. So career, personality, compatibility are more forefront concerns than looks.

So, in summary, I think in both sides, males and females, we exist in all forms on this "evolution" spectrum. We have some men who still rely on their large bank accounts to woo women. There are women out there who rely heavily on their large breasts and sexuality to woo men. But to tell you honestly, neither is wrong. Each is trying to get the "best" mate with their best possible tool. If you aren't the hottest guy (Donald Trump) why not use money to woo your definition of the best mate? And if you had the best rack ever, why wouldn't you use it? You rely on the best tool you have. It's all good. And that's what makes love and the art of attraction such a fascinating thing. We can all make up theories and talk experience, but it's one of those mysteries we will never completely understand.

I could write about 1000 more pages on my thoughts on relationships, men, women, etc, but I have bored you guys long enough. :)

Please feel free to expound at great lengths...you are one of the few on this forum that is:

A) Female
B) Sensible
C) can write in the English language in an articulate manner
D) Sensible
E) Doesn't resort to childish name calling
F) Sensible

I personally find the female of the species so unfathomable that I essentially have given up on them. I go out of my way to avoid any social interaction with them....they just don't make sense and for a guy as logic-bound as I, it just raises blood pressure and nothing else. I think the term these days is celibate. Certainly my wife hates it...

So, if you can explain what the heck I am missing, I would be eternally grateful.

D.

That's nice of you to say, cloggie. I love talking male/female/relationship stuff. It fascinates me. I think if I didn't become a nurse, I would want to major in sociology. I have been told by many of my male and female friends that sometimes, I think much like male, while other times, I think like a female. I am by no means and expert on relationships or the psyche of males or females. I just like talking about it so I have heard a lot of different perspectives including mine.

Ironically, I find it amusing I am commenting on this thread. I vow to never get married again. :)

A buddy of mine has had fantastic luck with online dating. He's met plenty of normal, successful, and attractive women even though he's definitely no great catch. Were I single I would absolutely give it a try, at 30+ I don't know how you would otherwise get "out there" to meet new people. My aforementioned brother in law has this issue, he's 30 and keeps meeting 21 year olds at bars.

Tweeze, I enjoy your perspective. A relationship based solely on physical attraction is destined to failure, but so too is a relationship with no physical attraction. Sex is a big part of a healthy marriage, to ignore that is ignorant of how we are wired as animals. Sadly many, particularly women, no longer like to acknowledge this as we are now a more enlightened society. Give me a break.......

I'll provide one counterpoint for this thread - married 10 years and couldn't be happier. Were it not for my wife I'd probably be a drunken loser, or perhaps dead. Instead I'm just a successful drunk, much better!:D

HA! You're talking about the tanned, overweight 40-something dude in a thong holding a low ball glass wIth S/C over the rocks on the beach right???!!!!!!

I LOVE THAT COMMERCIAL!!! Every time that comes on I say to my wife that's me!!:D