30% for awesome service
20% for great service
15% for decent
0% if terrible

The church in question (sic)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1360070040.jpg

The pastor (double sic)

Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries of St Louis , Pastor Alois Bell - YouTube

Truth in the Word Deliverance Ministries
2600 North Florissant St, Louis, Mo 63106
314-669-1274
Frozen - Webs

I have not been to church in a while maybe things have changed but isn't the whole meaning of religion to be forgiving of others. Demanding that the entire staff be fired does not seem like a very christian thing to do.

I'd rate their food somewhere between dog crap and cardboard.
In the 3 or 4 times I've made the mistake of going there, they have had the worst food and service I've ever experienced in a restaurant.

That's it...a tip is for GOOD service. If service isn't good, I'll usually leave 20%. Beyond that if service is good.

10% to God
 

Maybe the pastor should give 18% to God? She'd be lucky to be bussing tables at Applebees if it weren't for having a job working in the God business.

What a poo-butt.

Tithing STARTS at 10%, and it is only a guideline. If you can give more, God honors that. iF you can't give even 10%, God honors that as well. It isn't about the amount, but rather about the motive behind it.

Pretty self explanatory. Those Pharisee shoes fit well on Pastor Alios...

And then to go after the waitress and getting her fired? How is that showing the love of God? How is that forgiveness?

It is really sad when people try to put God in a box in order to justify their actions. Before I got all puffed up, I am guilty of that all too often.

Just sayin'

-Z-man.

ROFL. Truth in the Word Deliverance Ministries, aka I took an online class and now I'm a "pastor" and will happily take your money in the name of God, thanks. Christianity was a good thing until people got involved.......

I looked at who was paying the bill and the case is closed. Nothing more to say about this.

18% automatic tip? Remind me never to go to applebees. On second thought don't bother.
I'll remember.

Hay, take it to parf or I'll tell the poopy-heads. Uh oh, never mind ;)
I won't tell if you won't.

On large parties 18% auto gratuity is standard. So the server doesn't get ****ed in the deal.


What I read elsewhere is that she left a $6 case tip and the server fired was not the one that waited on them. This stinks all around regardless.

I will not patronize any establishment that considers a gratuity as manditory.
Not my fault if their clientelle tends to stiff the help, or maybe they're just not that helpful?

I have no problem paying an automatic 18% tip on a large group for the added time and energy it requires to keep everyone happy.

For those in this thread who think Applebees food is swill, maybe your tastes are just too damned refined compared to the remainder of America who (including me) love the food and atmosphere there.

As said before, if you have a problem with the 18% auto tip being a standard practice in the food industry, just commit yourself to eating fast food or having a personal chef, because most national chain resturaunts do this.

My kids love Applebees, my son in particular loves the honey bbq boneless buffalo wings, aka frozen chicken strips with bbq sauce on them. I will occasionally concede and take him there when he does something good, with the next destination being home because I know I'll be sitting on the pot within 30 minutes. I don't know what the hell they put in their food, but it does not make my stomach happy.

The people who won't be a patron at any place that charges auto-gratuity for large parties must not be able to go out, because that seems to be the standard at 95% of restaurants.

Having said that, my friends and I all did caddying and catering work through high school and college. We tip well. Always over 20%. But if a restaurant is auto charging us 18%, that's probably all they will get unless the server is just over the top good.

Too bad there are so many cheap sobs out there.

I was a waiter through most of my college career, working at both high end establishments and a couple casual Applebee’s-type restaurants. I really enjoyed it, thoroughly enjoyed taking care of the customers that came in. I think it’s a big reason why I enjoy entertaining friends at our house and if I did not go into my chosen profession, I’d like to think I would own some quant streetside café or something.
Anyway, I think with my enthusiasm for being good at my job (thanks mom and dad) and being blessed with the ability to small talk with people (thanks again mom and dad) enabled me to be pretty good at it, which rewarded me by being consistently one of the top earners on my shifts. I was fortunate to strike up a friendship with the hostesses, and eventually they would enable me to screen who would be seated in my area. Like a police officer whose “instincts” are often re-labeled as “profiling”, it became quite easy to tell who would be a joy to serve and who would be a bear. After clicking on that link, and seeing the “pastor” in question, I would have assumed she would have fallen into the latter half. A no brainer, really. I have very few horror stories to tell, but no matter how good you are, there will always be a customer who views you nothing more than a servant, and the time with them will be next to unbearable. On the flip side, there are people that have no business being in the service industry and I was often amazed how these people can survive on the little income they would produce.

I've never been a server. Why would large groups tip less than an individual or a small group.

And that's the real issue here, in my opinion.

JR

I was a waiter at Pizzeria Uno's in Georgetown way back when and we did have the auto-tip for parties of five or more. And a LOT of large parties came in there. We had a stamp that read something like "18% gratuity included" on the checks for such parties. Sometimes we got something extra, sometimes nothing extra. No one ever complained about it.

My company had an event in Baltimore last week where about 60 of us took over a party room in a local crab shack. The tab ran well into the thousands before we even hit the bar after dinner. I think there were four servers and four food runners. We had them pretty busy for a good two hours. It would have been a near crime to let a restaurant devote that much staff to a party that could then skip out on the tip. So I totally get the auto-tip thing. And the service was excellent, if the food sucked.

OTOH, what if you don't do the auto-tip and get a party of 10 who assume it was already added to the check and then leave nothing extra? Remember, servers get taxed on their revenue at the end of the night, not what they declare as tips. So, if I rang up a $1000 check, I'd be taxed on $80 (8% at the time) of tip income whether I got 20% or 0%. It got to be a problem at another restaurant I worked in because we weren't allowed to ring in our own meals during breaks. We had to have a co-worker do it. So, if I worked a double shift and rang in meals for co-workers, even though they were discount by 50%, I was taxed on that revenue and not tipped at all on it. After two co-workers asked me to do that in one day, I had to tell the next one to ask someone else.