Frack You

[RWebb]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/nyregion/hydrofracking-leases-subject-of-regrets-in-new-york.html?hpw&gwh=9F3DFFBF047465F1BCDA783E9B866BCA

[widgeon13]

Greed on behalf of both parties. I have no sympathy. Same thing happened with wind towers.

[masraum]

Weird, nothing really in the article about what the complaints are except people thinking they should have gotten paid more and fear.

Is the fear baseless or valid. I'm not sure that I buy either is 100% proven.

The article didn't really seem to deal with any facts other than people thinking they should have gotten more money.

[sammyg2]

2 things going on here:
1) sheer greed on the part of the landowners who simply want more $$$

Some landowners who have soured on the gas companies say they are not opposed to the drilling itself, also called hydrofracking. But, they say, they regret not having bargained harder and are seeking better deals.

2) mush-headed sheep who have been brainwashed by enviro-wacko-tards.

Either way, it's all BS.

[Hugh R]

They imply Fracking causes surface water flooding yeah right

[KFC911]

...and the horse you rode in on buddy !

[RWebb]

imply????

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by RWebb

imply????

Nuthin'....I just thought thread titile was funny, and of course you've heard the rest before I assume.

[HardDrive]

How can pumping poison into the earth possibly be a good thing in the long run?

[patssle]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

How can pumping poison into the earth possibly be a good thing in the long run?

Screw the Earth and environment for tomorrow to make a buck today. One would be crazy to drink the groundwater in that part of the country.

And people wonder why there's any need for regulation...

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

How can pumping poison into the earth possibly be a good thing in the long run?

Well, if it kills morons in New Yawk I have no problem with it.

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by targa911S

We are in the heart of it here in western PA. Everybody with more than 5 acres has signed up. The money is flowing like water. shell has been giving $4K an acre to sign on a 5 year contract. When they drill the Utica they will get 16% shares of what gets pumped. When they go deeper, marcellius, they make even more. we call them "shalellionares" around here. I'm afraid of what the hunger for money from the farmers around here will do to everything around here. The profits will be huge as the plan from Govt. is to mandate all heavy transport, trains, trucks, etc convert to gas by something like 2017. I hear Halliburton is doing the conversions. Of course. They are saying we are sitting on the equivalent of 5 Saudi Arabia's here volume wise.

Naw... PA isn't the heart of it... PA is where crews from here go when they have a slow week.


They do tons of fracking around here. My uncle works for a company that is developing soap based, enviromentally friendly chemicals for some of the processes.

I haven't heard a single one of those complaints around here either. I also know plenty of people that are getting $1mm +/yr in gas leases.

Chesapeake is supposedly fixing to start on 500 new gas wells in my county alone...

[LeeH]

Dang! Thought this was a Battlestar Galactica thread.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by targa911S

I have seen people that can light their faucets. ....

For real? I'm all for "sane" energy policies, but if that's the case, whoa boy, when will "we" ever learn

[944Larry]

This like all other problems-it's about money. I'm working in the PA gas fields now and the people I hear hollering are the people not drawing a large check. I'm working on a man's place that signed up for the up-front money, that in all honesty does seem cheap, but he now draws $5000 per DAY. Seems real happy to me. Seems like drilling and fracking 9000 feet deep wouldn't affect the potable water supplies any. The environmental people here on the job don't think so either. They mined for years around here, I don't hear them being blamed for much. Most of the fracking is done with water obtained from a local water district and sand. The article also said fracking was "recently developed". If you consider the 1940's recent I guess you're right. It has been done in Texas and Oklahoma for years. Everybody get to drawing a big check, the problems will disappear. It's the American way.

[rouxroux]

We're right in the middle of the Haynesville Shale formation. Everyone around here is getting 15,000/acre lease and 20%.

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by targa911S

I have seen people that can light their faucets. They talk a good story about safety but you know how that goes. "We paid you now STFU".

I thought that was from the natural gas that they were going after. That is, if they extract the gas then no more flammable faucets.

What are the chemicals? Descriptions of it I have seen just talked about water. Or the CO2 injection to get more oil out of the ground.

[dyhunter]

We had a mini rush up here in northern Michigan the last few years. The first test well put out good numbers and companies were buying up rights left and right. A second test well had much lower numbers and the companies started cancel the contracts for no reason. (according to the land owners) The whole thing is now going to court.

The movie "Gasland" was pretty informative. Left leaning but still good. The fracting liquids are a company secret so they won't give out the contents. Also the Oil and gas companies are not subject to the clean water act at drill sites.

[RWebb]

I believe there is a company that does hydraulic fracking and does it responsibly, and they are worried that the "wildcatters" will cause overly tight regulations, harming them - saw a news article on that co. somewhere.

Obviously, we'd like to get to the natural gas, but also we'd like to not ruin (or re-ruin) the place to do so.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by rouxroux

We're right in the middle of the Haynesville Shale formation. Everyone around here is getting 15,000/acre lease and 20%.

hey - didn't know you was a yankee!