No one is gonna argue that both the truck scenarios were both major screw ups. Thank God, they were poor shots. I can't and wouldn't even try to justify that.

But...you still haven't answered my question. How should I approach a person who may be the suspect of multiple murders, be heavily armed and trained and pretty much angry at anyone wearing a uniform. How do you think I should confirm whether he's armed or not? Flintstone said if a gun were pointed at him, he'd defend himself. Thank God again nobody was that stupid that I dealt with this last week.

don't forget, this was AFTER the LAPD was all cleaned up

Define "clean" with regards to LAPD. :D

Someone hacked the email of President Bush just last week...and hack others accounts of all sorts daily. Anyone can set up a password accessed account, even in someone else's name for their own uses.

Probable cause for arrest is different than shoot on sight.

I agree, we should have waited it out. Oh wait. If he had been wounded and bled out then there would be hell to pay for not rendering him aid. Well at least the cabin wouldn't have been burned down. With all the rounds thru it, I'm suspecting it would've needed major work anyways.

Yeah, isn't that a bit ridiculous? If you engage in a gun battle with someone (particularly if you started it), there should be no expectation of life-saving aid from the other side. That we've evolved (?) into a society that has that expectation is ridiculous.

I totally agree. Hiding from the truth makes them look really bad. On top of the other gaffes they made, they look like they can't be trusted. That's poor leadership.

Have you been sleeping for the last 20 years?

Who pays for damages in a situation where the police make a cabin (or a truck) look like Swiss Cheese??

Taxpayers

Agreed, but again. How do you think a LEO should go about doing that with a suspected armed, trained murderer. Maybe they should just walk right up to them, hands in pocket and ask them. I'm serious, what tactics do you think are reasonable when dealing with someone suspected of being Dorner. Do you really think having your weapon drawn is unreasonable?

I think you misrepresent my post quite a bit. I said if you shoot at me. This is the exchange:


Believe me...if you are shooting at me...I will shoot back. Obviously, you had better do a good job of identifying exactly who you shoot at...and if you shoot, you better hit them as Dorner proved. Your gun is just like mine. It is not to track down criminals and kill them...but rather for your self-defense while perfroming your duties. Even if you are trying to kill me because you mistakenly though I was a 270lb black guy (I'm not)...just because you killed me due to your incompetence will not bring me back to life. If you but arrest me (as the Constitution requires) and give me a trial...we all come out ok. Otherwise, my second amendment rights protect me.

That's above my pay grade, but I suspect it will indirectly come out of all the taxpayers pocket. It's just the check might say City of Los Angeles or LAPD......

No....but you said so yourself you chased down several hundred leads in the past week. Was your gun drawn every instance?

Obviously the LEO should approach as trained. On the other hand... after making it clear by their actions that many CA LEOs were shooting on sight...a prudent man might be ready to shoot back as opposed to being executed. You can't go to war against a man and expect him to just let himself be shot. From what I have read...in every case where Dorner shot a LEO, the LEO shot first. If that is not the case, please let me know. Also, the only reason that Dorner got caught and killed is because he did not kill the folks he tied up in the cabin....who got away and reported him. Maybe he is not the wanton killer as described. We will never know any of the facts...because he was executed.

I apologize, In multitasking I misread your post.

But one correction, my gun is not just for my self-defense its also for the preservation of life. My life could be in no immediate danger whatsoever.

Can't argue that...but burning a trapped man to death did neither.

The two PD who Dorner ambushed did not shoot first. They didn't have an opportunity to shoot at all.
The couple that Dorner killed at their home didn't shoot at all either. I would call him a "wanton killer", absolutely 100%

I am not aware of any shoot on sight "order", only one to consider him armed and dangerous.

Listen.


For Ya'll that are up in arms over the torching of this suspect.

Guess what. If you want to do it be my guest, get the training earn the right and YOU go in to a house where someone is held up with firearms that has shot two cops on the front yard.

Hell, I'll even hold your beer for when you come out.

This was the right thing to do at the right time.

The house was riddled in a hail of gunfire and the damage was done. If you're not out in 1 minute we lob in the tear gas. If you get out with out fighting us well you can have your day in court.

Nope, some of the calls were a guy in a car looking like, driving this way. We would put an eye on it and could see it was obviously nothing. Others not so much...

Just a little FYI, I've been told several times this week I look like Dorner, we are the same height, but Im about 240 lbs.