So Bob Barker has a ship named after him....mixes it up with Japanese Whalers
 

Aussies aren't doing much....:rolleyes:

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That ships been in play for a couple years. It's was named after Bob because of a $5m donation to the Sea Sheppard

Yes they are.

Looks like everyone is then. If the Japanese are breaking the law, they should use their considerable funding to pursue the Japanese in court rather than dramatic, dangerous, counter-productive behavior...with cameras rolling. Wait a minute...:rolleyes:

I'm not usually on the side of the tree huggers, but when I hear of something like Rhino poaching I generally think those poachers should be shot on sight. This is making me re-evaluate my position on the Bob Barker. I'll have to mull this over for a while.

Shooting poachers on sight is too humane.

Yep, there is an International moratorium on commercial whaling. With an exception for research, which the Japanese exploit to catch for food.
The SeaShepard org has taken on an attitude that is ugly and arrogant but they are bringing attention to the problem.
Both positions suck, but I would hate to see the end of great whales in our time.

Cheers Richard

If Paul Watson could find someone to sell him cannons there would be a few less whaling ship on the seas.

I sort of look at these conflicts like religions or culture differences. Some think they ARE the only ones RIGHT but don't understand the others religion, culture, economics, famine, etc. and then the violence begins. Put the donated funds into educated and redirecting the culprits, or else its harsh economic sanctions. The human violence is just absurd over this and then if some ship goes down, polluting in itself... c'mon.

Not a tree hugger either and certainly not agreeing of the poaching. But for example take a look at China and their use of our beloved canine.

They pay mega and covet the Tibetan Mastiff as prestige but will eat other bred dogs. Because the Chinese culture does not enforce rabies vaccine, they leave it up to the owner to have their pet vaccinated. The majority do not, mostly because they are poor and cannot afford it. So when an outbreak occurs, the chinese government are known to round up all dogs, invade ones home, snatch dogs while out on a walk or other and have a clubbing to death event. Thats the culture and how their law operates. Do the 'the huggers of the world' bother China about this?

I am neither for or against the eating of whale meat but I am 100% for the making fun of the tards that sale around on a black boat and fly the jolly rodger flag. Because they are tards. They do nothing to save a whale. The Japanese come home every season with whales in their cargo hold.

I would love to make a short you tube video of 2 dudes on a couch watching whale wars WHILE eating whale meat.

I think they are crazy but do seem to be doing some good. The Sea Sheperd claims that they couldn't have killed more than a dozen.

Japan halts whale hunt after Sea Shepherd clashes

Japan halts whale hunt after Sea Shepherd clashes - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Whalers...........
 

The Japanese have permits to take a certain number of certain types of whales each year. As long as they are not poaching and are hunting during the correct season, then they are not breaking any laws. However, the tree huggers or in this case the whale huggers are preventing or trying to prevent these folks from earning their living. Personally, I cheered when the tri-hulled boat got hit and sank!!! Too bad the Japanese Navy won't send along a destroyer or other gunboat to protect the whale ships.

I'd care a little more about whalers when the Japanese stop doing this:

Dolphin Slaughter In Japan Dolphin Massacre Video

Now there ya go, messing up all this perfectly good fastasy-world CJ thread with logic and facts.

Yer one great big "liberal buzz"-kill, that's what you are! :D

I believe it's an international treaty. As such, calling it a "law" is mislabeling. And I have no clue how one would enforce an international treaty. Guess the UN can write a stern letter.

BTW, the Japanese are supposed to be hunting (for research) Minke whales which are not endangered.

Paul Watson, captain of the Sea Shepherd is a "colorful" character. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson.

Regardless, it's a TV reality show, all geared for attracting viewership. I'm sure the "truth" is stretched so that you tune in next week.

treaties are law - the problem is the lack of enforcement

Japan (and maybe still, Iceland) have been able to bully their way into getting take quota for "research" as per a post above - that part is legal

what is clearly illegal is the Japanese exceeding the quota, which they do routinely; and killing whales in areas where it is prohibited which they often do

scientists who study whales are divided on whether they are as intelligent as humans, as chimps, or just at "elephant level"

culling the herd

Has anyone ever seen or read a peer-reviewed paper published by Japanese whale researchers?

Hahahahahahahahaha

What the Australians gonna' do-they gave up their guns!:eek:

You're serious? :rolleyes: Japanese Navy?

From what I understand of the local media here, the Japanese whaling fleets are operating illegally in Australian territorial waters. Essentially, they are poaching, killing a protected species and they're doing it in another country's backyard. They're farming the wrong kind of whales and they're doing it very aggressively, as if the rules apply to everyone except them. Why would their Navy support outlaw behaviour?

Our government here is too obsessed with clinging to power and is far too distracted to deal with it.

The Japanese have made specific scientific claims are that they require a particular ear-bone of the whale. It's all bullschit, as if that was all they were after, they'd throw the carcass overboard, right? I've seen whalemeat on sale in Tokyo, it's a high delicacy and they charge a fortune for it, somewhere near $1000/lb back when I was in Japan last.

That Sea Shepard bunch acts a little too crazy to suit me. Somebody is definately going to be killed before this is over. If what the Japanese is doing is illegal, it should be persued through the courts.

You mean throwing stink bombs isn't going to work? Hahaha... I can't believe they actually do that. They are terrorists with stink bombs and an old boat.

I'd agree that the courts are the place to settle it but would imagine that's been tried. After that, there's something admirable about intelligent, rational people willing to go down swinging for something they believe in...something that others won't stand up for...something that should not be happening (assuming the treaty is as represented here).

As stated in the other thread they're all idiots!

If the sea shepperd loosers wanted to make a difference, they would board the ship that rammed them fully armed and take out the entire whaler crew based an maritime law.

+1. The world needs more people like that.

Im not sure youre terribly well informed on this matter.

Have you seen the show? Wtf you guys? They throw stink bombs at the whalers. There it was plain as day on my TV. The terrorists comment is just me making fun of these retards who are not rational or intelligent individuals. They rammed the whalers boat once. That's super rational thinking..

Someone should do a study on why some people latch onto one certain animal and decide to attempt to defend it. It blows my mind how one guy will latch onto seal clubbing and another whales. These dudes will debate each other on which is more important of a cause and why. I find it to be crazy.

They whalers are breaking international law but they are not breaking Japanese law, which is how they get away with it. They live in Japan and the ships are flagged in Japan, and they stay in Japanese jurisdictions or open sea where there is no jurisdiction, so international law can't touch them. The international law the Japanese are breaking is almost unanimously considered legitimate by the other countries of the world, which kind of makes Japan a pariah on this issue. From a legal standpoint its not much different than crimes against humanity; there's a world-wide concensus against it and it is against international law, but thug dictators get away with it because it isn't against their country's laws, and they don't allow themselves to get into jurisdictions where they could be prosecuted.

Interestingly, the same legal analysis supports the legal right of the whale protectors to intervene to save the lives of whales. It is illegal in their country and in international law to hunt whale, and it is legal to protect whales in the home country. Therefore it is legal to extend the right of self defense to the defense of a third party, and use all equal and oposite force to protect whales.

Who cares if it is a cultural tradition to hunt whale? It is a cultural tradition in certain parts of the world to hunt and eat humans or display their scalps as trophies, but canabilism has been universaly outlawed. Whales are sentient creatures and are too high up the evolutionary chain to allow to be hunted. It is morally wrong to hunt whales, and it is imoral to a degree that any human ought to be able to appreciate. That's basically the definition of crimes against humanity, which the world governments adopted as per se illegal and having universal jurisdition. And not just universal jurisdiction for prosecution, but universal requirements to take action to prevent.

So while they may be tacky and I wouldn't invite them around for dinner and drinks in polite company, the Sea Shepards of the world are legit and are doing good work. BTW, their actions are completely defensible under US law, but would get a prison term in Japan. Under international law the whalers whould be in the dock at the Hauge if someone placed them under arrest and dragged them back to Europe.

Whaling is banned by international treaty. If youve a problem with that, take it up with your Govt. The Japanese are whaling inside a declared international sanctuary. Here, Sea Shepherd are interfering with the Japanese fleet conducting illegal heavy re-fueling inside a the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

Sea Shepherd aims to disrupt the Japanese whale hunt, and prevent the fleet taking whales. Sea Shepherd has rammed Japanese whale ships many times.

Sea Shepherd is not a protest organisation.

Yes. Seeing them all drown with broken limbs would be about right. :mad:

Ok. And?

I'm done with this thread. I refuse to share in this fantasy some of you guys are in. Throwing stink bombs at them is never going to work. Boarding and taking possession of their ships might make an impact and if they are really willing to "risk their lives" piracy would be included. This is why I make fun of them. It's really that silly.

Making it unsustainable, economically and politically, for Japan to run a whale hunt might.

Your lack of an informed opinion means everyone else's is fantasy, apparently. Bye, then.

You're right, I'll defer to you on your points. They're well made. I just think they're acting goofy and somebody is going to get killed before this is over. Of course, it is their life and if they're willing to give it for a cause, I sure can't cry foul.:(

And throwing stink bombs is going to do that? Dude, get real. Either they go do what it takes or they throw stink bombs.

You are in a fantasy world. Sound good?

The original "Americans" that inhabited the plains had it right. They used pretty much every part of the Buffalo.

Harvesting animals and tossing usable items is not a sustainable way of doing things. The "Coboys" of yore and the Dime Novels were essentially governmental supplemented assassins.

Some of the shooters took skins but most left them to rot, they shot them from trains....long distance shooters took them out and the dumass grazers had no idea what hit them.....the decimated herds then provided no sustenance to the Plains nomads. That and blankets given away "free" that were used by smallpox and measles patients were what won the west. It wasn't the gun....

With the population the way it is.....taking whales and whatever w/o using all the resources is not smart...if you HAVE to kill, maintain the line, use it all and somehow make it better down the line.

Once a population is dead....they are dead.....

What is left of the southern american plains nomads are taking over by breeding the conquerors out of oblivion. Middle class will limit their progeny. Rich douche nozzles will breed dilettantish effete twits.

Geronimo WILL rise again....but they will have 20% of his DNA.