Sea Shepherd mixing it up in the Southern Ocean

[stuartj]

Vessels of this size swapping paint in a very remote corner of the world is getting serious.

Whatever you might think of Sea Shepherd, they are willing to put the body in.

Nisshin Maru launches 'grenades' at Sea Shepherd: video



***BREAKING NEWS*** OPERATION ZERO TOLERANCE - BOB BOB BARKER RAMMED TWICE
As of 1400 AEDT, the Nisshin Maru is attempting another illegal HFO refuelling operation in Australia's Antarctic Territory, with a massive Japanese Naval Ship, the Shirase, available for backup. The Nisshin Maru has rammed the Bob Barker twice, shoving the ship into the Sun Laurel at 1448 AEDT and 1516 AEDT. The Nisshin Maru threw a flash bang grenade that exploded off the port stern of the Sun Laurel. The three Yushin Maru harpoon ships have been trailing lines and crossing the bows of Sea Shepherd Ships. The Sam Simon and Steve Irwin have had flooding in their engine from the Nisshin Maru's water cannons. The Steve Irwin's water cannons have been engaged, the crew have been instructed not to aim them at any people on the poaching vessels.

[Bill Douglas]

BMG50cal

[sammyg2]

Nothing worse than environmental terrorists.
They belong on the bottom.

[stealthn]

I'm sorry I think all involved on both sides of this show are idiots, the whalers need to be sunk but the thought that throwing some stink bombs on the deck is doing nothing. Is there any evidence at all any of the sea shepherds have even stopped one whales' slaughter?

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Nothing worse than environmental terrorists.
They belong on the bottom.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Nothing worse than environmental terrorists.
They belong on the bottom.

Two ways of looking at it. I see that there is a hell of a lot of Japons and not many whales.

Plus they started the fight.

[Jrboulder]

I guess board 'em and Glock 'em is not PC?

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by stealthn

Is there any evidence at all any of the sea shepherds have even stopped one whales' slaughter?

Sea Shepherd International :: Japanese Whalers Acknowledge Sea Shepherd Success


SSCS are masters of PR, bordering on propaganda, but they successfully fked up the Japanese season last year.

[ckelly78z]

Of course I don't agree wih the flagrant slaughtering of whales in the name of science, and wouldn't mind seeing a whaling ship or two go to the bottom with all hands saved.

The sea shephard and the other eco boats are truly acting like "enviromental terrorists", and may end up going to the bottom as well.....it won't surprise me.

[pitargue]

Originally Posted by widebody911

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Paul Watson agrees w/ you.

Paul Watson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Christien]

Oops, wrong sea shepherd thread

[Bill Douglas]

I think both parties should behave like gentlemen. So I propose a bare knuckle fistfight on deck. The best Japon against the best of Seashepherd and the loser goes away never to return.

[rusnak]

the Bob Barker threw a flashbang onto the Korean fuel tanker, supposedly in an attempt to start it on fire. They could have killed everyone on board, including themselves. They also rammed the fueling tanker before they were rammed by the Japanese vessel. The incident ends when the Japanese ship came up behind the Barker and flipped it sideways, then rammed it.

The Sea Shepherd organization is behaving more like criminals than protestors. Someone will get killed, and it won't be a surpise.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by rusnak

the Bob Barker threw a flashbang onto the Korean fuel tanker, supposedly in an attempt to start it on fire. They could have killed everyone on board, including themselves. They also rammed the fueling tanker before they were rammed by the Japanese vessel. The incident ends when the Japanese ship came up behind the Barker and flipped it sideways, then rammed it.

The Sea Shepherd organization is behaving more like criminals than protestors. Someone will get killed, and it won't be a surpise.

Source?

Sea Shepherd are not firing stun grenades. They are being used by the Japanese. You are correct, only an idiot would fire an incediniary device at a tanker.

Here is the extended video. Bob Barker is steaming parallel to the orange tanker, certainly to interfere with illegal hevy re-fueling. The Nisshin Maru clearly closes on the Bob Barker and makes deliberate contact.

Where are you getting your information, the Japanese Embassy?

Nisshin Maru Boxes Bob Barker Between Itself and Fuel Tanker, Causes Multiple Collisions - YouTube

[stealthn]

Geez I hope you don't believe everything you watch on reality tv and the Internet

Send the whales to Somalia and let a bunch of tools on skiffs take down the sea shepards and the Japanese...

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Where are you getting your information, the Japanese Embassy?

Where are you getting your information, the Sea Shepherd?

Oh, wait:

Originally Posted by stuartj

Nisshin Maru Boxes Bob Barker Between Itself and Fuel Tanker, Causes Multiple Collisions - YouTube

If a 2:23 long video filmed by their supporters and posted to their YouTube channel (during a multi-day confrontation at that) convinces you of anything, I would submit you were convinced before you watched it.

The Japanese navy simply needs to nut up and torpedo the Sea Shepherd before innocent people get hurt. There are guys on those Japanese boats who are simply working a job to support their families, with no involvement in the politics of this. The glory hounds on the Sea Shepherd are risking those men's lives. The place to settle this dispute is in the courts, not on the high seas with dangerous, irresponsible stunts of the kind that has made these ass holes infamous.

Sink the mutha fukkas and see if they can swim home and, more importantly, to see if the next bunch will have the nutsack to try stunts like this in the future. The only thing that emboldens people like this is the thought that their opposition can do nothing to stop them. I would dearly love to see the Japanese surprise them.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Where are you getting your information, the Sea Shepherd?

Oh, wait:



If a 2:23 long video filmed by their supporters and posted to their YouTube channel (during a multi-day confrontation at that) convinces you of anything, I would submit you were convinced before you watched it.

The Japanese navy simply needs to nut up and torpedo the Sea Shepherd before innocent people get hurt. There are guys on those Japanese boats who are simply working a job to support their families, with no involvement in the politics of this. The glory hounds on the Sea Shepherd are risking those men's lives. The place to settle this dispute is in the courts, not on the high seas with dangerous, irresponsible stunts of the kind that has made these ass holes infamous.

Sink the mutha fukkas and see if they can swim home and, more importantly, to see if the next bunch will have the nutsack to try stunts like this in the future. The only thing that emboldens people like this is the thought that their opposition can do nothing to stop them. I would dearly love to see the Japanese surprise them.

The video is clearly labelled as to its source Jeff, and it relates to the contact between the vessels referenced by the previous poster. I think its worth more than his unsourced claims.

I dont know if youve done any blue water sailing Jeff, but allowing a small vessel to contact a large vessel generally goes badly for the small vessel.

Ofcourse SSCS are attempting to disrupt the activities of the whaling fleet, that is their stated aim. And Jeff, Japanese naval surprises generally arent funny.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by stuartj

The video is clearly labelled as to its source Jeff, and it relates to the contact between the vessels referenced by the previous poster. I think its worth more than his unsourced claims.

Of course it is (on both counts). What is missing, however, is days and days of confrontation and provocation that I'm sure would be less than flattering to the Sea Shepherd's captain and crew. They are behaving irresponsibly. That would be fine with me if they were only risking their lives, but they are also risking the lives of men on the other vessels. They need to be made to stop, even at the cost of their ship and their lives.

Originally Posted by stuartj

I dont know if youve done any blue water sailing Jeff, but allowing a small vessel to contact a large vessel generally goes badly for the small vessel.

I've done none whatsoever, but it certainly doesn't take any experience to reach that conclusion. But, again, the Sea Shepherd has put everyone involved at this level of risk, have they not?

Originally Posted by stuartj

Of course SSCS are attempting to disrupt the activities of the whaling fleet, that is their stated aim. And Jeff, Japanese naval surprises generally arent funny.

Yes, both of our countries' histories speak to that. I'm not suggesting this in any sort of humorous context - the Japanese navy needs to sink that ship before her and her crew hurt innocent men on those other vessels. Make their intentions very clear, give them the option to leave, and when they don't - sink the bastards. Any survivors they manage to collect get tried for piracy in Japan. This isn't a game.

[stuartj]

Jeff, the Japanese are whaling in a marine sanctuary, they are re-fueling in a marine sanctuary.

Sea Shepherds stated aim is to harass the whaling fleet and disrupt the whale hunt. I would be surprised if the way Bob Barker was handled breached the rules of the sea, it was steaming parallel, no danger of collision. But- clearly to disrupt the tankers activities. The Nisshan Maru clearly caused that contact.

If SS provokes the Japanese into a ramming incident in whaling waters, and here we are talking about it, and its on our TV and interwebs and Govts (notably of AUS and NZ) are further emabarrassed by their gutlessness on this, then more power to Sea Shepherd's arm.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Source?

Sea Shepherd are not firing stun grenades. They are being used by the Japanese. You are correct, only an idiot would fire an incediniary device at a tanker.

Here is the extended video. Bob Barker is steaming parallel to the orange tanker, certainly to interfere with illegal hevy re-fueling. The Nisshin Maru clearly closes on the Bob Barker and makes deliberate contact.

Where are you getting your information, the Japanese Embassy?

Nisshin Maru Boxes Bob Barker Between Itself and Fuel Tanker, Causes Multiple Collisions - YouTube

You're saying the flashbang came from the Japanese ship on the left? Ok, whatever you say (see 0:26), that's a neat trick. The Bob Barker was trailing ropes, intending to get them caught in the Japanese and the Korean ships' rudders.