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Jim Richards 06-06-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott R (Post 7484447)
It can't be answered, there are two many "X's" to solve for accurately. The only thing you can safely say is that 100 batteries for a "service station" will set back that station 1.5 million.

That's based on your $15k anecdote of retail price for a quantity of 1 purchase. That's not realistic for a volume purchase by a non-retail customer.

Scott R 06-06-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 7484467)
That's based on your $15k anecdote of retail price for a quantity of 1 purchase. That's not realistic for a volume purchase by a non-retail customer.

Since nickle and cobalt are climbing very quickly, 15k is likely not enough.

USGS Scientific Investigations Report 2012–5188: Metal Prices in the United States Through 2010

New demand should bump those numbers up quite a bit as well.

cockerpunk 06-06-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andyt11 (Post 7482373)
Exactly. Anyone who wants an EV for the sake of being green should know that burning coal isnt that cool either.

Plus, one has to consider the resources used when making an electric vehicle vs a conventional vehicle. It tends to mean you have to drive half way to the moon and back.

BBC News - How environmentally friendly are electric cars?

even in the dirties coal fire plant, electricity can be created and transported much cleaner then inside a piston engine in a car.

1-ev.com 06-06-2013 12:57 PM

Here more about Clean coal technology - Clean coal technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it cost more vs conventional coal energy plants, but it would be less then $3T already gone, by the way... The Three Trillion Dollar War

RWebb 06-06-2013 03:03 PM

Clean coal is a bit of an oxymoron - I hope their CO2 sequestration plans work, but sorta doubt it.

It is really an R&D program right now.

mikeesik 06-06-2013 03:35 PM

Don't forget to include antifreeze, oil and other lubricants that are needed to run today's vehicles as opposed...

1-ev.com 06-21-2013 05:46 AM

Hey, here how fast can you fill the tank?

Try to compete with Tesla, ha :D

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/68832891" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe>

Scott R 06-21-2013 06:21 AM

Well lets see, driving up I70 to go skiing in my Tesla X I would think the refill time would be the length of time for the tow to a plug, then the recharge time. So about five hours I suppose?

1-ev.com 06-21-2013 06:25 AM

Have you watched the video before writing your comment?

PLUS, If whole SWAP station fit under the stage, it should be not too expensive to build.... Oil Co will not like it tho...

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Originally Posted by Scott R (Post 7509623)
Well lets see, driving up I70 to go skiing in my Tesla X I would think the refill time would be the length of time for the tow to a plug, then the recharge time. So about five hours I suppose?


Scott R 06-21-2013 06:34 AM

Yes, it was on WSJ.com the other day. It's laughable at best. Tell me when does the Tesla owner put his credit card in the charger and where? You have to love Elon Musk, he's like Bernie Madoff and PT Barnum all rolled into one little chubby package.

The people that fall for this stuff, I just don't know anymore.

1-ev.com 06-21-2013 07:20 AM

Speaking of Credit Card, dipped... - I think it will be far less then dip it into the gas station pump, + giving money to the bad guys... look at Europe's Gas Prices :eek:

And if Competition present, as we can see on the electronics market, we will see almost FREE charging stations around the country...

PLUS, as Elon said in the video, TESLA SUPERCHARGERS ARE FREE TODAY... :D http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

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Originally Posted by Scott R (Post 7509641)
It's laughable at best. Tell me when does the Tesla owner put his credit card in the charger and where?

The people that fall for this stuff, I just don't know anymore.


krystar 06-21-2013 07:21 AM

...the demostration was only last night.

one question still is how tesla will certify the condition of the swapped pack. and if a used pack will still be replaced under warranty as if it was your original pack. and how many packs will the station keep in storage. and of course we're not at the point yet to say how much the swap costs. 85kwh worth of electricity can vary between $5 offpeak and $25+ peak. but even then that's still cheaper than a tank of gas

Scott R 06-21-2013 07:24 AM

Story has been out for a week. And nothing is "free."

Scott R 06-21-2013 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by krystar (Post 7509709)
...the demostration was only last night.

one question still is how tesla will certify the condition of the swapped pack. and if a used pack will still be replaced under warranty as if it was your original pack. and how many packs will the station keep in storage. and of course we're not at the point yet to say how much the swap costs. 85kwh worth of electricity can vary between $5 offpeak and $25+ peak. but even then that's still cheaper than a tank of gas

I think you're leaving out taxes.

1-ev.com 06-21-2013 07:31 AM

There are many way to do it, such as:

You can have your original pack stored for you while you are traveling across the country or the world on leased packs, that you let say you've subscribed to, and all this packs tracked by RF chips with SN#, so you can see on line what packs you were using during your trip...

AND this could be implemented with today's technology with NO PROBLEM!!!

I am doing this kind of things for a leaving, look at my sig...

my 2c, -Y.

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Originally Posted by krystar (Post 7509709)
...the demostration was only last night.

one question still is how tesla will certify the condition of the swapped pack. and if a used pack will still be replaced under warranty as if it was your original pack. and how many packs will the station keep in storage. and of course we're not at the point yet to say how much the swap costs. 85kwh worth of electricity can vary between $5 offpeak and $25+ peak. but even then that's still cheaper than a tank of gas


krystar 06-21-2013 12:11 PM

well two questions answered.
http://news.yahoo.com/electric-car-maker-tesla-unveils-90-second-battery-055736289.html
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A battery pack swap will cost between $60 and $80, about the same as filling up a 15-gallon gas tank, Musk said. Drivers who choose to swap must reclaim their original battery on their return trip or pay the difference in cost for the new pack.

Scott R 06-21-2013 12:14 PM

Return trip from where?

krystar 06-21-2013 12:39 PM

returning trip from wherever you went to....presumably you are coming back from your destination that was more than 250miles away from home.

and just remember that tesla charging stations (not the battery swap service) are always going to be free. you can't leave your gas car at the pump for 20 minutes while you get lunch and get 5 gallons of gas for free.

1990C4S 06-21-2013 01:03 PM

There is a lot of misinformation in that video. Misnamed processes, misleading statements about the processes, etc.

The implication that this is light years ahead of other automotive plants is not correct.

1-ev.com 06-21-2013 01:16 PM

If you ever test drive Tesla you will understand what is the difference between Gas Cars and EVs are... Lot of people I know do not want to go back to driving gas cars...

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 7510267)
The implication that this is light years ahead of other automotive plants is not correct.



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