If only they knew......

[weseeeee]

You can eat to live or live to eat. You don't need to have a perfect diet, but you need to indulge with moderation.

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by weseeeee

You can eat to live or live to eat. You don't need to have a perfect diet, but you need to indulge with moderation.

And a little exercise wouldn't hurt once in a while.

[mikesride]

I'm a little touchy on this one. My daughter once she reached puberty put on lots of weight, she doesn't eat a whole lot but as she got larger and larger her mobility suffered meaning even less activity. I never really believed in the whole "active thyroid" diagnosis....but don't know what to think. Her doctor has ok'd Lap Band surgery but it scares the crap outta me!!! Anybody ever have somebody go thru this? Docs....what are your opinions on this type of surgery? (she is only 22 years old)

[GeorgeK]

Originally Posted by mikesride

she doesn't eat a whole lot

Yes and no.
Calories do not appear out of thin air. To gain weight, one must eat more than one's needs.

Is it easy? hell no. Is it her fault? hard to say. But the calories have been ingested, no matter how one looks at it.

[KevinTodd]

Originally Posted by mikesride

I'm a little touchy on this one. My daughter once she reached puberty put on lots of weight, she doesn't eat a whole lot but as she got larger and larger her mobility suffered meaning even less activity. I never really believed in the whole "active thyroid" diagnosis....but don't know what to think. Her doctor has ok'd Lap Band surgery but it scares the crap outta me!!! Anybody ever have somebody go thru this? Docs....what are your opinions on this type of surgery? (she is only 22 years old)

A close friend of mine who is a chef by trade did this surgery a bit over a year ago and has not looked back. He has lost in excess of 125# and looks and feels like a different person.

His commitment to this surgery has been his ticket to success, however. He can eat only about 1/2 to 3/4 cup of solid food at any one time and he feels full. He must take numerous supplements in order to get the nutrients and proteins that his body needs. He also works out regularly with weights and now can even resume playing tennis after many years of being unable.

He has told me repeatedly that he would not only do it again, but recommend it to anyone who simply could not lose weight in the conventional manner. He has been an inspiration for quite a few others as well as to himself.

That's my .02.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

And a little exercise wouldn't hurt once in a while.

Very true, people use to take pride in their appearance, nobody wanted to be the sloppy fat guy, but now, in the PC world, there is an excuse for not exercising, girls don't care if they are fat & sloppy or that their bellies hang out

[wdfifteen]

It's a problem of self discipline, lifestyle, peers, and education. It is not insurmountable, and I think the word is getting out. Sugary soft drinks and fast food are killing us via heart disease and diabetes. I think Mayor Bloomberg's soda ban was a stunt to get people talking about the problem. HBO has a special about it. Word is getting out. I'm cautiously optimistic that the trend of obesity it will change.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

Calories do not appear out of thin air. To gain weight, one must eat more than one's needs.
Is it easy? hell no. Is it her fault? hard to say. But the calories have been ingested, no matter how one looks at it.

I know it is not one kind of PC to sound PC, but I would like to see the word "fault" replaced with "choice" in discussions like these. It is all about what we choose to eat and how we choose to exercise. "Fault" has a moral implication, "choice" is something we control every minute of every day. To turn obesity around, we have stop thinking about morals and start making healthy choices.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by mikesride

Her doctor has ok'd Lap Band surgery but it scares the crap outta me!!! Anybody ever have somebody go thru this? Docs....what are your opinions on this type of surgery? (she is only 22 years old)

How has she tried to lose the weight so far? An acquaintance got the lap band thing and lost weight for about a year, but five years later she is bigger than ever. On the other hand, my best friend was told he had to lose weight or start taking insulin. He entered a hospital-directed lifestyle modification program and lost 110 lbs. in a couple of years. He eats like a horse, but changed WHAT he eats and is trim and non-diabetic 3 years after he started.

[Racerbvd]

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I know it is not one kind of PC to sound PC, but I would like to see the word "fault" replaced with "choice" in discussions like these. It is all about what we choose to eat and how we choose to exercise. "Fault" has a moral implication, "choice" is something we control every minute of every day. To turn obesity around, we have stop thinking about morals and start making healthy choices.

the problem with that idea is that two people can make the same choices and only one will become obese

agree with last sentence, but the env. will have to be changed for many people - maybe 1/3, maybe most

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by RWebb

the problem with that idea is that two people can make the same choices and only one will become obese

I do not think half of obese people in the US became obese through some illness. Certainly there are physiological causes in some cases, but one out of two?? What is this illness that has suddenly come upon us?

[GeorgeK]

You can have all and any ilnesses, but the math is the same.
To be fat one has to eat too much for his needs.
The saying goes, one does not get fat from suckling stones.
It would be more efficient to operate changes on mentalities than digestive tracts.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I do not think half of obese people in the US became obese through some illness. Certainly there are physiological causes in some cases, but one out of two?? What is this illness that has suddenly come upon us?

disorder not illness

human physiology & behavior is adjusted for times of resource scarcity; today we have the opposite

and, in most of the world, humans are surrounded by easy easy access to sugars and high fat foods - so-called "fast foods" are loaded with them

[tweezers74]

Honestly, I think it is a combination of the fatty food and less activity at schools. I went and had lunch with my son for lunch. They have fattening food in the cafeteria and then they have a very short recess (whatever time is left after they finish their lunch). And they only get one. All day. I remember when I was a kid, I ran around like a maniac at least three times a day at school. Some schools don't have PE programs (my son only has it once a week) and in the afternoons after school, a lot of kids stay indoors playing video games. But a lot of it is a direct relationship with the parents. Most likely, heavy kids have heavy parents. Not all but most. I try to have my boys active all the time. Through organized sports and just having fun hanging around, so they see it as a part of life. We also indulge in our fatty foods but balance it with our healthy food too. .

Healthy meals take time too. For most working parents, easier to pull through the drive thru. I make a conscious effort to cook over the weekends and freeze stuff. Although a new salad place has opened up where you can go through a drive thru and order. It has about 10 different salads in their menu. I love it already! Expensive though. A salad with a drink runs about $13-$15. An extra value meal is cheaper...

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by Rick V

Because a big mac meal is two bucks and a salad is five-fifty................

A lot of truth to this. Eating healthy can be expensive.

[aap1966]

Originally Posted by mikesride

I'm a little touchy on this one. My daughter once she reached puberty put on lots of weight, she doesn't eat a whole lot but as she got larger and larger her mobility suffered meaning even less activity. I never really believed in the whole "active thyroid" diagnosis....but don't know what to think. Her doctor has ok'd Lap Band surgery but it scares the crap outta me!!! Anybody ever have somebody go thru this? Docs....what are your opinions on this type of surgery? (she is only 22 years old)

Lap band surgery horrifies me.

To be succcessful, the patient must follow a strict diet post-op, yet the only people who have such surgery are those that have demonstrated that (for whatever reason) they are unable to follow a strict diet.

I've seen dreadful complications. Not just gut perforations etc, but stuff like blindness (Vit A deficency), cardiomyopathy. I do not refer any of my patients for lap band surgery or gastric bypass because these procedures have such appalling complications that I cannot reconcile it from an ethical point of view. Especially as these arte often marketed as a "quick fix" when they're anything but.

[mikesride]

Originally Posted by aap1966

Lap band surgery horrifies me.

To be succcessful, the patient must follow a strict diet post-op, yet the only people who have such surgery are those that have demonstrated that (for wehatever reason) they are unable to follow a strict diet.

I've seen dreadful complications. Not just gut perforations etc, but stuff like blindness (Vit A deficency), cardiomyopathy. I do not refer any of my patients for lap band surgery or gastric bypass because these procedures have such appalling complications that I cannot reconcile it from an ethical point of view. Especially as these arte often marketed as a "quick fix" when they're anything but.

This is my biggest fear.....from bad to worse in the search for help. She does a food diary and shares it with me almost daily....and she seems to have stopped gaining weight. So I should have said she doesn't SEEM to be eating much...(or showing what/how much she eats). She is on depression meds as well.(she has issues)... I think the weight and self esteem issues are a large part of it, I also think it leads her to eat for comfort possibly.
A friend has suggested a diet plan called "Ideal Protein" Very carb and fat restricted from what I understand. Has anybody ever heard of this plan? Do you think its safe? Is it realistic to think she just won't bounce right back to where she is now?
I appreciate your input on this subject.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by RWebb

disorder not illness

human physiology & behavior is adjusted for times of resource scarcity; today we have the opposite

and, in most of the world, humans are surrounded by easy easy access to sugars and high fat foods - so-called "fast foods" are loaded with them

Choices, and quantity....
It always amazes me when I see someone shoveling food into their face like no tomorrow.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by mikesride

This is my biggest fear.....from bad to worse in the search for help. She does a food diary and shares it with me almost daily....and she seems to have stopped gaining weight. So I should have said she doesn't SEEM to be eating much...(or showing what/how much she eats). She is on depression meds as well.(she has issues)... I think the weight and self esteem issues are a large part of it, I also think it leads her to eat for comfort possibly.
A friend has suggested a diet plan called "Ideal Protein" Very carb and fat restricted from what I understand. Has anybody ever heard of this plan? Do you think its safe? Is it realistic to think she just won't bounce right back to where she is now?
I appreciate your input on this subject.

I've heard of doctors who won't do the surgery until after the patient does the required lifestyle changes. I think this is the responsible approach. If she can't change the way she makes food choices the surgery is an expensive and dangerous waste.
I know people who are on low carb lifestyles who seem healthy and who have lost a Loy of weight.