forget apple, how high will TESLA go?

[krystar]

who's in on this rocket ship

from 40's to just over 100 in less than 6 months. it's the new apple for sure. hell i'm considering bailing on apple.

[Cannonball996]

the difference between tesla and apple, is that tesla is not an industry leader, when apple's stock made its run it was a leader in the technology industry. the stock market is doing well as a whole, and tesla has benefitted from that.

[sammyg2]

Apple has a revenue stream that doesn't come directly from investors and gubmint subsidies.
They do it the old fashioned way, but making a profit off their product.

[RWebb]

in fact, Apple gets LOTS of subsidies -- from more than one govt.

[theiceman]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Apple has a revenue stream that doesn't come directly from investors and gubmint subsidies.
They do it the old fashioned way, but making a profit off their product.

errr.... you may want to read this

Tesla Motors pays off its government loan…nine years early

[cairns]

Tesla's "profit" and it's ability to "pay back" was derived primarily from selling it's California carbon credits to other companies and it's reliance on large government subsidies to sell cars. Next year the former won't happen. The latter could go away depending on the elections, the next President or the voter's view of spiraling deficits.

But if you're feeling froggy...jump right in. Al Gore has invested heavily- and he's made himself hundreds of millions playing the environment game. What could go wrong?

I just wish I had had the foresight to buy it initally- I would be selling it now.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by theiceman

errr.... you may want to read this

Tesla Motors pays off its government loan…nine years early

I read that. Long time ago when it first came out. I also read that the gubmint is PAYING people $7000 to buy electric cars. Not tax write-offs, actually paying them. Like a bribe.
They also get breaks on DMV fees, HOV lanes, and many other "incentives".

Tesla:
Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)6: -44.05
Profit Margin (ttm): -31.23%
Operating Margin (ttm): -32.92%
Return on Assets (ttm): -20.42%
Return on Equity (ttm): -183.03%
EBITDA (ttm)6: -268.59M
Net Income Avl to Common (ttm): -295.09M
Diluted EPS (ttm): -2.78 Operating Cash Flow (ttm): -138.70M
Levered Free Cash Flow (ttm): -270.78M

[sammyg2]

same statistics for Apple:

Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)6: 6.35
Profit Margin (ttm): 23.46%
Operating Margin (ttm): 30.92%
Return on Assets (ttm): 18.91%
Return on Equity (ttm): 33.34%
EBITDA (ttm)6: 57.38B
Net Income Avl to Common (ttm): 39.67B
Diluted EPS (ttm): 41.90
Levered Free Cash Flow (ttm): 30.02B



Talk about apples to oranges, or more appropriately to lemons

[biosurfer1]

seems like a great time for some put options to me....and from the price of the contracts, I'm not the only one who thinks that.

[Steve Carlton]

I just don't have a good feeling about Tesla long-term when a big automaker or three decides to get serious about making electric cars. Tough business to survive in.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I just don't have a good feeling about Tesla long-term when a big automaker or three decides to get serious about making electric cars. Tough business to survive in.

IMO tesla has one chance at long term success and profitability, R&D and licencing their technology. If they can develop and patent parts and processes that outperform what the big car makers have, they can sell it to the biggies and make money off it.
but I doubt they'll be able to survive as a pure electric car manufacutrer.

[RWebb]

they could also be acquired

if there is any time to break into auto manf.ing it is when a disruptive change is roiling the waters - and that would be EVs


re puts - they do not have a low safety rating, and are rated to move with the market (avg.) in terms of price appr. for the next year

[Kraftwerk]

Remember when there were incentives to buy SUV's?

Tesla is interesting. Wise to use such a high percentage of already manufactured parts, & making better choices than, say, Delorean...

[Brando]

The only way Tesla is going to make it, is if they can make their tech cheaper and The cars more affordable. Targeting an exclusive market will not net long-life. They need to be more like Toyota.

[porwolf]

Well maybe Tesla could become another Porsche with it's own niche market?

[RageRover]

The Nissan leaf has undersold, I see units sitting on lots, rarely see a volt & Fisker is in chapter 11. What makes you think Tesla will end up any different?

[sc_rufctr]

It's a "bubble"... Run away

[krystar]

electric car is what they make. that's not a niche market. that's just their product.

right now the S is still expensive. they're not even using 1/4 of the factory yet. the stage 3 car is targeted for $30k which makes it on par with existing mid level gas cars but without the gas money.

their supercharger stations are planned to be rolled out across the nation in next two years. and we just saw the battery swap demo in 90seconds last night. it's all pointing to good times.

[1-ev.com]

look at this video and tell me if EVs are not future?

[RageRover]

He STOLE the idea from Israel, who has been working on swapping battery packs for YEARS now and has a test fleet of vehicles and some stations.

Bravo for Tesla. I'm not a Tesla fan and don't think in the long term they'll survive, they seem to be like me an my school work.

After pulling a "C" average all semester, I manage to pull a "B - B+" out of my butt and surprise everyone!

Now that Tesla is public, I should skim over their annual report. It seems they make more money (occasionally) selling their tech or teaming up with another company.

My gut tells me that he'll eventually sell out (before it goes chapter 11) to a larger auto maker.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see Tesla making it.

I saw one the other day, the tow-bed driver said it ran out of "juice". I think I saw 1 on the road, which is more than I can say about the Volt!

And I live in an area where people can afford them and there are dealers.

Everyone is still buying Range/Land Rovers. Although I do see plenty of "Bluetech" Merc SUVs and plenty of Jetta TDi "sportwagons"