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Indy driver takes out a couple of opponents pit crew.

This could have been much worse...


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Old 08-25-2013, 09:27 PM
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While the tire crewman seemed a little too nonchalant despite the potential hazards, to announce that Dixon had no responsibility for the collision is irresponsible. I think the video clearly shows Dixon's car drifting slightly sideways exiting his pitbox which placed that crewman in harms way.

As for the race itself, is it me or do the announcers as well as drivers have a short track mentality? That is, some drivers obviously feel no hesitancy to bump competitors out of the way. I saw examples of drivers bumping and running other cars off the track/into a wall even if it was only a front wing breaking their rear tire plane, and some of the announcers were okay with it (some not all in agreement). I expect that type of bravado at a NASCAR event where collisions seem to be tolerated for the audience's pleasure.

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Yea, the "rubbin is racin" is creaping into sports car racing as well. I think they shoud penalize every incident where it is blantant, and really watch the drivers that have a lot of "racing incidents." That is one reason I don't watch crashcar racing.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:28 AM
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I agree with announcers. Pit crew member was outside the box, and did not seem to have situational awareness.
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^^^ Totally agree, pit crew members shall not step out of their box - and he was; in addition he carried the tire further over Dixon's box.
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What box? The announcers said those lines applied to Cup racing, not Indy.
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What box? The announcers said those lines applied to Cup racing, not Indy.

The boxes weren't lined up for Indy, but if Cup races support 33 or so cars, then they should have set up the pits better for Indy which has fewer cars.

I think the pit crew member is 75% at fault as he made himself as wide as possible by holding the tire sideways and not hugging the rear of his team's car. I would like to see some of the teams other stops in past races to see if that crew member deviated from his normal routine to hold up Dixon.

I hate full course cautions when they could handled by a local yellow like in F1.
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I agree with announcers. Pit crew member was outside the box, and did not seem to have situational awareness.
Yep - situational awareness especially for that pit job. Tight as it is, still should have been doing business in the box... and, why is it not regulated in Indy Car?
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Dixon was a total **** about this in the post race interview. He was extremely callous about hitting this guy. To see this video and to hear his words about it makes me sick. Watching the video from all angles and listening to the official that handed out the penalty gives you a better sense of why Dixon was penalized.

The NASCAR lines were not the pit boxes for INDY. The pit crew has to do their job in the shortest time possible and in the most efficient way. Penske has the best guys over the wall. Roger was mad after the race and had every right to be. His guy was doing his job and Dixon screwed the pooch.

Most drivers have some form of conscience and show some remorse when their actions cause harm to others. Not this guy. Total tool in my book now.

Sorry for the rant but that really burned my chaps.
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Post-race interview with Dixon when he said the infractions and penalties were inconsistently applied (my mild translation). In addition, several non-calls. From a one-time viewing of the event, I must agree.

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The crew for the guy that ran over the guy was not in their box either, they were just behind the car, rather than in front of it. Man that got hit was not paying enough attention.

I can see where he was going around the man at the rear of the car, but why wouldn't you just wait a second or two and walk straight at the wall? Isn't that what you are supposed to do?
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crew fail imho. It's not like those cars have a tight turning radius. The guy needs to do his job and gtfo of harm's way.
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Dixon hit the tire not the guy. The guy had options and instead he took one for the team, stupid.
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Dixon hit the tire not the guy.
I think you are right.
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Dixon hit the tire not the guy. The guy had options and instead he took one for the team, stupid.
Splitting hairs aren't we? More accurately and per your POV, Dixon's left body pod contacted the RR tire held by the crewman which then contacted his left pant leg which forced his leg and attached body into a half-roll trajectory onto another crew member.

IOW, hot pit personnel and NOT drivers are fully responsible for the actions of others while in that area.

Can you apply that logic to this hit as well?


At the very minimum, the Dixon event is open to interpretation.
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Scott Dixon's space was further back so he was encroaching on the other guys space. The guy with the tire should have kept out of the way but due to the fact no one took the blame the rule book had to come out which said Dixon was too far forward.
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The guy was just tired.
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The guy was just tired.
that explanation falls a bit flat
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I've had this happen to me, some one just walk in front of me in the pits right at the edge of where I need to go through. The driver- from his view point, cleared the GUY. The guy had the tire sticking out farther - out of driver's view. You gotta remember, these cars have high sides - the driver can't see what is low and close AT ALL. If the pit crew member had of had the tire on his right, and been on the edge himself, the driver probably would of seen and missed him.

The driver cannot really be to blame in this, unless he had a clear racing car that he could see through in a full 360.

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