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onewhippedpuppy 09-04-2013 08:02 AM

Bought Another Mini
 
After a whopping year with my S8, it's time to move on. After the realization that I spent most of my time driving the S8 alone and not using it much as a second family car (as intended), I decided to get something with better MPG and a stick. Which is not in any way knocking the S8, I would rate it as the most capable overall car that I've ever owned. Beautiful inside and out, incredible build quality, laughs at the snow, seats five in comfort, and effortlessly goes really really fast. The replacement is inferior in many ways, but also lots of fun.

2002 Mini Cooper S, 80k, records since new, very very clean car. DDM tuning cold air intake, 16% supercharger pulley, and 2% underdrive crank pulley are the only mods. It really runs and drives very well, I have a few minor issues to sort out and I'll enjoy it largely as is. I'm hoping to actually autocross this one, though I've said that for several years now and haven't gotten off of top dead center. For what they sell for, these are a pretty good deal for a fun compact used car. The S does a good job of remedying the power deficit that I experienced in my 2004 Cooper, I still wouldn't call it fast but definitely adequate.

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Rot 911 09-04-2013 08:28 AM

Nice choice!

porsche4life 09-04-2013 08:34 AM

Good looking car Matt!!! I've looked at those more than a few times to fill the hole the Corrado left in my stable. There's always room for a hot hatch in my heart. Fun cars!

GothingNC 09-04-2013 08:43 AM

Nice !

Just a note, the warranty for the Power Steering pump has been extended to 13 years and/or 150,000 miles for the 02 to early 05 Coopers.


MotoringFile » Archive » R50/R53 MINI Power Steering Warranty Extension

Rot 911 09-04-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothingNC (Post 7637983)
Nice !

Just a note, the warranty for the Power Steering pump has been extended to 13 years and/or 150,000 miles for the 02 to early 05 Coopers.


MotoringFile » Archive » R50/R53 MINI Power Steering Warranty Extension

That's good to know. However, most of the time when the power steering quits working, it is because the cooling fan has stopped. Happened to my wife's first Mini. They put the damn cooling fan right underneath the engine where it tends to pick up debris and get jammed. Hers was jammed by a small rock. Got the rock out and all was well. She has since moved up to a Mini S with the JCW package.

GothingNC 09-04-2013 08:48 AM

Also, when the fan jams - it sometime blows the PS-Fan fuse.

Check the low speed radiator fan, the reisistor is known to fail but can be by-passed with a new one without replacing the fan assembly.

vash 09-04-2013 08:51 AM

nice!!

my wife is one of "those" she wants a Prius. i am trying to distract her with the new four door mini.

good get matt. any idea how much you're gonna sell it for? :D

scottmandue 09-04-2013 09:06 AM

If I was not severely upside down on my Miata I would love to trade it for a Mini...

Nostril Cheese 09-04-2013 09:12 AM

Get rid of the underdrive crank pulley and put one of these on. ATI - Super Dampers® for Mini Cooper Engines

You need dampening on the crank pulley. I'd also inspect the belt tensioner and put a safety stop on it.

Also, if you're going to track it, change the suspension bushings to polyurethane and reinforce the upper strut mounts.

They respond very nicely when you upgrade the intercooler, do a little smoothing out of the intakes and custom software.

PM me if you have any questions. I know these cars too well. I work on at least 2 a week.

70SATMan 09-04-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7638047)
PM me if you have any questions. I know these cars too well. I work on at least 2 a week.

What's your opinion on the later turbo MCS with the direct inject issues? I love my 2010 to death except for one thing,,, The stuttering under accel which is seemingly getting worse again even though I had it in two months ago and had it remapped.

It's really pissing me off that I'm starting to not trust the machine when I have a need for power.


Nice clean looking MCS there Whipped! My SIL has one in the same vintage too and at times I feel it still has better power delivery than mine.

Nostril Cheese 09-04-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 7638115)
What's your opinion on the later turbo MCS with the direct inject issues? I love my 2010 to death except for one thing,,, The stuttering under accel which is seemingly getting worse again even though I had it in two months ago and had it remapped.

It's really pissing me off that I'm starting to not trust the machine when I have a need for power.


Nice clean looking MCS there Whipped! My SIL has one in the same vintage too and at times I feel it still has better power delivery than mine.

Honestly, they are pretty disappointing. I have heard of people having success cleaning out the engine, but they are built like disposable appliances.

I mean, they have a press fit pulley for the timing chain... :rolleyes: At least the window regulators are easier to change.

The 12,000 mile oil change interval doesn't help either.

BMW should consider using the N20 in the MINI.

onewhippedpuppy 09-04-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothingNC (Post 7637983)
Nice !

Just a note, the warranty for the Power Steering pump has been extended to 13 years and/or 150,000 miles for the 02 to early 05 Coopers.


MotoringFile » Archive » R50/R53 MINI Power Steering Warranty Extension


Thanks, I think mine is good in that regard. It has had the fan replaced, the power steering pump replaced, the harness recall done, and a fan guard installed.


Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 7638006)
nice!!

my wife is one of "those" she wants a Prius. i am trying to distract her with the new four door mini.

good get matt. any idea how much you're gonna sell it for? :D


LOL, I'll let you know. Maybe she wants an S8?:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7638047)
Get rid of the underdrive crank pulley and put one of these on. ATI - Super Dampers® for Mini Cooper Engines

You need dampening on the crank pulley. I'd also inspect the belt tensioner and put a safety stop on it.

Also, if you're going to track it, change the suspension bushings to polyurethane and reinforce the upper strut mounts.

They respond very nicely when you upgrade the intercooler, do a little smoothing out of the intakes and custom software.

PM me if you have any questions. I know these cars too well. I work on at least 2 a week.


It currently has an M7 2% crank pulley. What's the reasoning to get rid of it?

I already ordered an Alta adjustable tensioner, the stock tensioner is chattering at idle. Per the records it has already been replaced at about 40k, so they obviously don't live long lives. Also ordered Alta silicone intercooler couplings as mine have visible cracking in the stock rubber, along with a new serpentine belt.

I was eying the Alta air diverter as the intercooler to hood seals are shot, along with one of the silicone smooth intake hoses from the intake to supercharger as I suspect my original piece is getting crusty. Software was also on my list. It's had at least some of the bushings replaced with OEM so I'll probably leave it alone for the moment. Does exhaust work buy you much? Any other words of wisdom are appreciated.

vash 09-04-2013 10:45 AM

i'm just gonna set the over/under at 15 months. :D

onewhippedpuppy 09-04-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 7638210)
i'm just gonna set the over/under at 15 months. :D

Wow, you're getting conservative!:cool:


To the Mini guys, what's the best of the multiple Mini forums out there?

Nostril Cheese 09-04-2013 10:54 AM

There's a reason the stock pulley has rubber on it. It absorbs the torsional vibrations of the crankshaft. It's also the end of the crank that's driving the supercharger, alternator, AC Compressor, etc.. Think about those kinds of sideways loads.. Over time, it can damage the main bearings. I've seen it happen.

The ATI is the best there is. M7 stuff is meh. It's way overpriced for what it is. They seem to be more concerned with a nice looking product over something that is functional.

Exhaust will help with a header. A bigger intercooler will help a lot as well. There's a lot of variables of course.

1990C4S 09-04-2013 11:14 AM

I wish I had the time and energy to do what Matt does. I think I could break even and always have a new-ish car if I bothered to make the initial investment.

Sarc 09-04-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7637891)
After the realization that I spent most of my time driving the S8 alone and not using it much as a second family car (as intended), I decided to get something with better MPG and a stick.

I've come to that realization myself (after thinking long and hard about your S8), which is probably why I drove a couple MCS' over the holiday weekend. Fun cars! Looking forward to seeing how life is with it for you...

onewhippedpuppy 09-04-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7638228)
There's a reason the stock pulley has rubber on it. It absorbs the torsional vibrations of the crankshaft. It's also the end of the crank that's driving the supercharger, alternator, AC Compressor, etc.. Think about those kinds of sideways loads.. Over time, it can damage the main bearings. I've seen it happen.

The ATI is the best there is. M7 stuff is meh. It's way overpriced for what it is. They seem to be more concerned with a nice looking product over something that is functional.

Exhaust will help with a header. A bigger intercooler will help a lot as well. There's a lot of variables of course.

Thanks, I'll put it on the list. Anything else that I should be seriously looking at with an 80k car? Most of the common stuff has been done, my current to do list would be fuel filter, pollen filter, one step colder spark plugs, clean air filter, inspect all underhood rubber stuff, SS brake lines and bleed, silicone intake hose, new hood seals or new intercooler diverter, and change out all fluids.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarc (Post 7638310)
I've come to that realization myself (after thinking long and hard about your S8), which is probably why I drove a couple MCS' over the holiday weekend. Fun cars! Looking forward to seeing how life is with it for you...

Yup. The S8 is a great car, and I've taken it on quite a few road trips as it is a spectacular highway car. But 95% of the time I just don't need a full sized sedan, and frankly I really missed driving stick. The Mini is big enough to pick up my kids at school if required, but small enough to be tossable and also fit easily into our tight garage.

GothingNC 09-04-2013 02:05 PM

Not sure if it was mentioned but the front control arm bushings are usually toast after 80,000 miles. If you need to replace them, go for new sway bar bushings while you are in there.

R K T 09-04-2013 03:11 PM

We bought a new '06 S and it was a great car til the thermostat let go, fixed under warranty. Wifey loved it but I never got comfortable in it (6'4"). Bought her a new '12 six months ago....it's already gone!
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astrochex 09-05-2013 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7638181)
It currently has an M7 2% crank pulley. What's the reasoning to get rid of it?

I already ordered an Alta adjustable tensioner, the stock tensioner is chattering at idle. Per the records it has already been replaced at about 40k, so they obviously don't live long lives. Also ordered Alta silicone intercooler couplings as mine have visible cracking in the stock rubber, along with a new serpentine belt.

I was eying the Alta air diverter as the intercooler to hood seals are shot, along with one of the silicone smooth intake hoses from the intake to supercharger as I suspect my original piece is getting crusty. Software was also on my list. It's had at least some of the bushings replaced with OEM so I'll probably leave it alone for the moment. Does exhaust work buy you much? Any other words of wisdom are appreciated.

I would also recommend removal of the 2% crank pulley. For one, like Nostril Cheese said, you want dampening on the crank. I went with a PRW fluiddampener unit, Amazon.com: PRW 2510900 FluidGel Black 138mm Serpentine Standard Drive Pulley Damper for BMW Mini Cooper, 2001-2006 Gen 1, Tritec 1.6L: Automotive, when my OEM unit failed. Secondly, M7 parts (and Alta for that matter) do not have the best reputation in the MINI aftermarket.

For the intercooler boots, stick with OEM.

There are a few options for a tune, one with way more experience than the others including race MINIs and Porsches. Contact Jan at Contact « Revolution Motor Works and he will give you the straight scoop about any R53 questions you have, performance related or not.

Have fun with your new ride.

GothingNC 09-05-2013 07:14 AM

I went with the PRW Fluid filled crank pulley when my OEM crank pulley split in two a few months ago.

Pelican has a good write up in the tech section for the replacement.

dyusem 09-05-2013 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7638215)


To the Mini guys, what's the best of the multiple Mini forums out there?

Congrats on the Mini!

North American Motoring is the only Mini forum of value.

onewhippedpuppy 09-05-2013 09:58 AM

Thanks for the feedback all. Any other 80k-ish preventative maintenance suggestions?

GothingNC 09-05-2013 10:05 AM

Good thread on VW Vortex with someone saving a high mileage Mini S

VWVortex.com - A Mini MINI build thread (high mileage refresh/overhaul)

nostatic 09-05-2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7640009)
Thanks for the feedback all. Any other 80k-ish preventative maintenance suggestions?

buying a Toyota

onewhippedpuppy 09-05-2013 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 7640215)
buying a Toyota

Reliable is no fun....

GothingNC 09-05-2013 12:26 PM

AAA with 100 mile towing range is a plus.

I have 94,000 miles on mine, DD 50 miles round trip and love driving it.

Picked it up Jan 2012 with 75,000 miles on it on the time.

Only issue so far was the upper motor mount (easy fix), brake pads, tires, and the Harmonic Pulley that split at 93,000 miles. I went ahead and changed the idler pulley, belt and tensioner while I was in there and added a tensioner stop.

Next project is the lower control arm bushings and the airbag light, passenger seat sensor needs to be replaced again, $800 part and was replaced twice earlier under warranty. Good thing it will still pass safety inspection.

Just hoping the supercharger and powersteering pump will not crap out.

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kaisen 09-05-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7640237)
Reliable is no fun....

Says the guy with a 2002 Audi and a 2002 Mini:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378414179.jpg

JD Power 2005 Vehicle Dependability Study looks at 2002 models at three years of ownership

onewhippedpuppy 09-05-2013 12:54 PM

John, were you aware that they extended the factory warranty on the power steering pump and fan to 13 years or 150k?


Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 7640308)
Says the guy with a 2002 Audi and a 2002 Mini:

Hey look, a new guy!;)

BRPORSCHE 09-05-2013 01:16 PM

The Prodigal Son hath return!

GothingNC 09-05-2013 02:19 PM

Great website on modding and servicing the Mini

Bill's Web Space: 2005 Mini Cooper S (R53)

And another

BlimeyCabrio

GothingNC 09-05-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7640318)
John, were you aware that they extended the factory warranty on the power steering pump and fan to 13 years or 150k?




Hey look, a new guy!;)

Cutoff year is 2005, factory says the new and improved PS Pump used at the end of 05 through 06 does not fail:rolleyes:

nostatic 09-05-2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7640237)
Reliable is no fun....

I just sold a brand new Honda and replaced it with a BMW. I feel your pain.

onewhippedpuppy 09-05-2013 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 7640650)
I just sold a brand new Honda and replaced it with a BMW. I feel your pain.

I hear warranties are nice.

Jeff Alton 09-05-2013 10:23 PM

Nice car!

We have an 05 Cooper S JCW as our loaner car. People seem to enjoy driving it, we get lots of great comments on it.

aigel 09-05-2013 10:31 PM

Total dork car in my book. Less than 12 months is my bet. ;)

But good car to flip - no depreciation to speak of within 12 mos.

G

onewhippedpuppy 09-06-2013 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aigel (Post 7641263)
Total dork car in my book. Less than 12 months is my bet. ;)

But good car to flip - no depreciation to speak of within 12 mos.

G

I quit caring what others think of me long ago. And I'll have you know that my wife considers it a girly car, not a dorky car. So there.

aigel 09-06-2013 06:22 AM

Yeah, probably more important what your wife thinks. ;)

At least it is the first model, not the midsize car they sell now called a 'mini'.

G

5String43 09-06-2013 06:29 AM

Great little car! Good on you. I'm on my second one of these. First was a 2005 MCS Hardtop. Current one is a '13 MCS Clubman. What a blast these things are to drive, with seemingly instant response to every input. And I too am 6'4" - as long as there is no sunroof, there is plenty of room for me. And now, with the Clubbie, there's room for stuff behind me, which is good.

As for the problem with coking up, BMW made a significant upgrade in 2011 from the N16 engine to the N18. I gather that this did not completely eliminate the problem, but at least significantly minimized it.


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