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WIN 2003 911 Carrera
Over the weekend 9 Magazine along with the National Humane Society worked out a deal for new 9 Magazine subscribers http://www.9magazine.net
The NHS is currently selling tickets to raise money for their nonprofit 501-3-C organization by raffling off a 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera. For the next few weeks (ending August 31st, 2002) when you subscribe to 9 Magazine you will be entered in our drawing for a ticket ($100 value) to win the 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera (NHS will draw the winner on September 20, 2002.). You can also purchase additional tickets for the event by visiting their web site if you wish. A great win-win for everyone! If you have any questions please visit our web sites for more information. Brian Minson 9 Magazine http://www.9magazine.net Last edited by 9magazine; 08-12-2002 at 09:39 AM.. |
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Sooo, subscribing to your magazine enters us in a "Drawing" for a ticket, for a raffle, to win a new 996?
Such a bargain...  Win a chance for a chance...
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This has been discussed on other sites, and I just requested permission to post an excellent letter here. I'll post it when I get permission from the author.
There "really" is no National Humane Society, at least not if you look it up- the name is close, but no cigar, to The Humane Society of the United States. The National Humane Society is NOT a bonafide charity Just watch where you donate your money. If you want to buy a raffle ticket for a porsche- go for it. As long as we don't think we are helping out true charitable orgainzations at the same time. Gary |
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08-13-2002, 05:01 AM
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Here is the letter I discussed above:
Raffle Ethics All: As we all know, there are various raffles involving Porsches, Merced es and the like as the top prize. This diatribe is over the ethics demon strated by some of the folks who run these things. For the disclaimer part, this is all my opinion only. It appears tha t all the raffles operate within the legal guidelines defined by the IRS and the 501 (c) (301) charity rules. My issue is strictly with the ethics of these operators. I for seven or so years have bought a raffle ticket to a group that originally benefited Aids research. The prize either a Porsche 911 or Boxster. Currently, there is a group that helps a humane society that also has a Porsche as its raffle prize. I noticed that the name of the group was very similar to a known humane society, but not the same. I made a few phone calls just to see what percentage of the funds went to a charitable group and what went to fund raising. The 800 number in the ad went to an order service that only took a credit card and processed the ticket. They did give me a phone number for information that was to the Delaware Humane Society. The Delaware Society knew nothing of the raffle. I called back the main number, and received a different number for the fundraiser. The man at the fundraising company I spoke with, said that after their expenses a portion went to the Maryland humane group. The whole thing started to "smell" funny. The checking into the Aids raffle was more enlightening. I had tried about a year ago to get the percentage of fund raising of this group. I kept hitting dead ends on the phone calls, so I gave up. This year, I get another flyer for their raffle for a 911. I started making the phone calls again. I tried looking for the chairpersons' names and phone numbers. Using the Internet, I tried searching for either partner's name in the white pages. Since theirs is an unusual spelling there should not be too many listings. No matches found. I know the dealers who supply the cars to the raffles are not going to cut off their twice yearly sale of a car at MSRP. So I did not even bother using them as a resource. I had remembered from the year's previous attempts for contact, that they were based in Ft. Lauderdale, even though there nothing is listed in their flyers for about being in that city. At least I got a human being, who could take my number and have someone get back to me. No thanks. Just for laughs, I contacted my state's Attorney General's Charities department. The man I spoke with was very enlightening. He knew of the Aids group. He mentioned how they had been asked (forced?) to change part of their name of from "research" to "relief". He said he had been unable to ever verify any person or group that had received moneys from this raffle. He summed it up as follows: If the paperwork is filled out correctly, a ham sandwich could be a charity. The AG's person said that it came down to this: If one dollar is contributed to an Aids group, they have satisfied the legal requirements. I spoke with the most recent winner of the Aids raffle. He was somewhat horrified to hear that they may not be as they say. Both he and I felt that we were contributing to a good cause. It offends me to find out that the money paid to these raffles really pays the "salaries" of the raffle administrators. Bottom line? Contribute to a group that you know is legit. I spoke with the editor of Panorama (Porsche Club of America monthly magazine). She felt the same way about accepting an ad from one of these groups (the less than ethical kind), but if they meet the legal requirements to the state or feds, they had to take the ad. In the mean time, she has set up a raffle for another truly legitimate charity group that did return some nice moneys directly back to that charity. Matt Murray |
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gchappel e-mailed me yesterday with a copy of the post he had from the Rennlist.
I know we did a search on their 501/3/C status, but it seems they might not be 100%. Maybe we can put a little pressure on them about their operations. Brian Minson 9 Magazine http://www.9magazine.net |
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If they are in florida look them up in sunbiz.org
If they are legit - they should be listed. you can also do a reverse # look up in superpages.com for the name the number is acquired by. just a few tactics I have used in the past... |
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So we have "humanesocietynational.org"
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08-13-2002, 03:45 PM
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Thom,
So this tells us they are based in Florida, correct? Also $50,000 to spend at Pelican would buy a heck of a lot of needed parts for someone! Maybe I should talk to Wayne about a $1000.00 Gift Certificate for a lucky subscriber? Brian Minson 9 magazine http://www.9magazine.net http://www.9magazine.com PS we finally purchased www.9magazine.com last week, let me know whether anyone is having problems with it going to our site. |
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Being a nerd, I ran nslookup on them. Nationalhumanesociety (not the ones running the raffle) doesn't have any live DNS listings, although they do have a whois listing. The other one does, which jives with their whois data. This does not prove or disprove their validity either way. I, personally, think they're scamming. The next step is to look up their non-profit charter info. Can't do that from the command line  Quote:
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Get the F@ck out of here with this f@cking bull*****.
Spam your f@cking charlatanism somewhere else. Goddamnit.
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Who, me? You don't like Unix?
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Someone needs to try decaf in the afternoon... or Tequila! Do not think that Unix would be strong enough but then having Windows crash several times a day might... Joe
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I can (and do) donate money to our regional SPCA. That will help animals far better than getting involved with a bogus charity, and a crappy magazine.
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I'm with Doug Z (RSPCA over here)
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