Johnny Football Suspended!!!

[Nathans_Dad]

For a grand total of one half. Unbelievable.

This tells me the NCAA had absolutely nothing on Manziel. All,the hoopla and controversy and they suspend him for 30 minutes of playing time.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

For a grand total of one half. Unbelievable.

This tells me the NCAA had absolutely nothing on Manziel. All,the hoopla and controversy and they suspend him for 30 minutes of playing time.

NCAA admits there is no evidence he received money for autographs but he violated "the spirit" of the rule because he should have known that someone would be making money because he signed so many autographs.

This is tyranny. I wish A&M and Manziel had sued the idiots. Terrell Pryor had his career seriously derailed because he traded autographs for tattoos.

The NCAA wants to keep the slaves on the farm.

[L8Brakr]

The Aggie Code.......

"A cadet shall not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do"

........Unless said Cadet is a Heisman Trophy winner who's making the University major bucks!

[Nathans_Dad]

First off, Manziel is not a cadet. Secondly there is no evidence that he lied, cheated or stole.

Notice I said evidence, from what I have seen it sounds like his friend Nate may have been paid for the session and not Manziel. It doesn't pass the smell test to me, but the NCAA has lots of egg on its face today.

[matt f]

"Say it ain't so."

[Les Paul]

http://youtu.be/WXu6l2EVcG4

[weseeeee]

Many college players don't have any money and come from lower income families. Football players in the SEC get about $100 a game, free college and food. The little money they get paid doesn't go very far. Between college and practice they don't have much time to get a job. Personally, I could care less if they get paid for an autograph. btw, I'm a huge college football fan who attends 6-10 games a year. I even go to a HS game almost every Friday night. Tomorrow night, I'll be attending my first college game of the season

[Don Ro]

When they take cash for autographs and deny everything, they're home clear - no proof!

[mattdavis11]

I feel sorry for Manziel, not only does he have a target on his back b/c he STOLE the Heisman last season, but now has an additional reason for defenses to pummel his arse this year.

That's not a good thing if you play in the SEC. He'll be out by mid season with a concussion, unless TAMU does what they did to Swope and continue to play him and ruin his life completely.

[dw1]

So....According to the NCAA, student-athletes do not own their image, likeness, or even their own names.

What's next? Will the NCAA assert they also own the rights to the athlete's voice, including non-verbal sounds?

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

He'll be out by mid season with a concussion, unless TAMU does what they did to Swope and continue to play him and ruin his life completely.

The kid is slithery quick and elusive. I watched a few A&M games last year and no one could put a good lick on him. He made defenses look like they were Pop Warner kids.

[biosurfer1]

Originally Posted by weseeeee

Many college players don't have any money and come from lower income families. Football players in the SEC get about $100 a game, free college and food. The little money they get paid doesn't go very far. Between college and practice they don't have much time to get a job. Personally, I could care less if they get paid for an autograph. btw, I'm a huge college football fan who attends 6-10 games a year. I even go to a HS game almost every Friday night. Tomorrow night, I'll be attending my first college game of the season

I disagree. They have school, room, board, books, supplies, uniforms, shoes, etc ALL paid for by the school. They want to play college football so they made the choice knowing that extra money would be hard to come by, but what do they really need extra money for, everything is already paid?!?!

They want money for extra crap fine, get a job. If that means having to drop out of school so be it. They are not the first and there are 10 guys waiting to take their free ride spot.

[Seahawk]

The NCAA has one foot in the La Brea Tar Pits...the below is an actual photo of the CEO of the NCAA, Mark Emmert, at a recent teeth cleaning.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

I disagree. They have school, room, board, books, supplies, uniforms, shoes, etc ALL paid for by the school. They want to play college football so they made the choice knowing that extra money would be hard to come by, but what do they really need extra money for, everything is already paid?!?!

They want money for extra crap fine, get a job. If that means having to drop out of school so be it. They are not the first and there are 10 guys waiting to take their free ride spot.

That's pretty myopic. Having most if not all expenses paid is not the same thing as having some money to go on a date or maybe even fly home for a holiday. Kids from well-to-do families have a big advantage, more so when on a scholarship.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

They want money for extra crap fine, get a job.

Ridiculous. So the student athlete can have a summer job at McDonalds but they can't do endorsements or sign autographs? BS. They are adults. The NCAA's policy is clear restraint of trade.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Moses

Ridiculous. So the student athlete can have a summer job at McDonalds but they can't do endorsements or sign autographs? BS. They are adults. The NCAA's policy is clear restraint of trade.

And they have a cap on pay, etc., that my Son, on a ROTC ride doesn't have to deal with...he can earn as much as the market allows.

Those that earn academic scholarships have no limit to their outside efforts, internships, etc....why athletes?

[74-911]

Originally Posted by Moses

Ridiculous. So the student athlete can have a summer job at McDonalds but they can't do endorsements or sign autographs? BS. They are adults. The NCAA's policy is clear restraint of trade.

From what I understand, the 20 or so universities which actually make money from their football programs want to pay the "athlete-students" a stipend. the problem is all the other schools that can't afford it would be at a great disadvantage recruiting wise,etc. Also, do just the football players get it? What about basketball, baseball scholarship players as the income from football would have to pay them also. Would this result in a super NCAA division of just the schools with the big bucks to pay the athletes.

On a side note, I don't know if Manziel is guilty or not but why would be spend hours signing autographs for brokers for nothing knowing they are going to sell them ?? Just out of the goodness of his heart? I don't think so....

[Shuie]

The NCAA does not allow Div 1 student athletes to just go get a job to pay for extra crap. I think they finally loosened the rule slightly a few years ago and now allow them to work until they gross somewhere in the neighborhood of $2k if they meet all of the other restrictions. Whatever the number is it is small and it is absolutely all they are allowed to earn on or off campus during the academic year.

[biosurfer1]

I'm not saying that athletes shouldn't be able to make money from a job, just that it is a clear rule that they cannot make money signing autographs, they cannot make more than $xxx in a side job. They knew this going into it. There is no one forcing them to play football. It's a CHOICE they made and I have a had time feeling sorry for someone who complains that they want to make money signing their name because otherwise they don't have money for anything when just about ALL of their "necessities" are already paid for.

You're right Moses, they are absolutely adults which means if they don't like the rules, they are free to go elsewhere and make more money. No one is forcing them to play football or any other sport. It's called sacrifices and if they are upset they cannot go on a date or fly home for a holiday, they have a choice. I know a lot of people who made it though college paying their whole way and didn't have the luxury of most of it paid for, and they certainly didn't have extra money to fly home for holidays after paying for the things the student athletes have paid for.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

I'm not saying that athletes shouldn't be able to make money from a job, just that it is a clear rule that they cannot make money signing autographs, they cannot make more than $xxx in a side job. They knew this going into it. There is no one forcing them to play football. It's a CHOICE they made and I have a had time feeling sorry for someone who complains that they want to make money signing their name because otherwise they don't have money for anything when just about ALL of their "necessities" are already paid for.

You're right Moses, they are absolutely adults which means if they don't like the rules, they are free to go elsewhere and make more money. No one is forcing them to play football or any other sport. It's called sacrifices and if they are upset they cannot go on a date or fly home for a holiday, they have a choice. I know a lot of people who made it though college paying their whole way and didn't have the luxury of most of it paid for, and they certainly didn't have extra money to fly home for holidays after paying for the things the student athletes have paid for.

I'll start by saying that the rules are BS. I think players should receive more than they do, if nothing else to reduce the temptation to cheat. But I also don't feel sorry for them.

I paid my way through college with a wife and kid. I took between 16 and 21 hours of aerospace engineering courses per semester while working 20-40 hours per week. I normally got up at 5 and went to sleep about 12. We lived in poverty for four years. I graduated with $45k worth of student loan debt to pay off. So I don't feel real sorry for the players that dedicate 6 months to playing football in addition to their class work, in return to getting a free education.

The worst thing about the Manzell situation? He comes from a wealthy family that obviously provides him with financial support, such as a new Mercedes after he won the Heisman. The kid doesn't NEED the money. He's one hell of a football player, but strikes me as a very immature spoiled rich kid. It will be very interesting to see how well he deals with the pressure and expectations of this season.