"And when you pray, pray for strength..."

[daepp]

[pavulon]

could use some of this lately. thanks.

[daepp]

I read an interview with Mike Rowe, the cool guy from Dirty Jobs. He is really bending over backwards to support the trades. Anyway, he has been criticized for going on the likes of both the Glen Beck Show and Bill Maher. His response, posted below makes so much sense right now. And it's not PARF. The two sides in this country better come together and meet in the middle. And pray for strength...

"Shannon K. Walsh wrote, "Mike - How could you associate with such a horrible and psychotic person that is Glen Beck? I wouldn't accept a dime off that hateful, nasty racist. Very disappointed to see this post."

Well, hi there, Shannon - and a pleasant good morning to you too!

If you want a detailed answer to your question, please take a moment to read my earlier reply to Bob Reidel, another crestfallen soul who couldn't reconcile my association with a TV host that he personally despised. As you read it (out loud, if possible, and in a public place), kindly replace the words "Bob Reidel" with "Shannon K. Walsh," and "Bill Maher" with "Glenn Beck." But prepare yourself - you might be forced to conclude that my true objective here has little to do with winning or losing your approval.

As for your personal characterization of Glenn Beck, I can only assume you have information not available to me. In my time with him, I saw nothing "horrible, psychotic, hateful, or nasty." I smelled no burning sulphur, no smoldering brimstone, and saw no sign of cloven hooves.

To the contrary, I found a very passionate guy who employs about 300 people, works his butt off, and puts his money where his mouth is. Do we agree on everything? Of course not. Am I "disappointed" by that fact? Not at all. The real question, Shannon, is ... why are you?

To be clear, I'm not here to tell you what to think or whom to hate. Like everyone else, you're free to pick your devils, choose your angels, and attach the horns and halos accordingly.

But the guts of your question - even without all the name-calling and acrimony - reveal the essence of what's broken in our country. You want to know "how I can associate" with someone you don't like? The short answer is, how can I not? How are we ever going to accomplish anything in this incredibly divisive time if we associate only with people that we don't disagree with?

Mike

PS. Not only did Glenn hand me a check for $25,000 made out to the mikeroweWORKS scholarship fund, he invited me to shoot a few PSAs on his set and offered to air them on his network for free. You know how many other networks have offered to do that? Not one. In addition, his viewers have purchased hundreds and hundreds of Work Smart AND Hard posters. I'm already getting photos of them hanging in high schools across the country. Glenn also signed one, and took some artistic license on my face. Which made me laugh. We'll auction that off on a future episode of C.R.A.P., and my guess is we'll raise a pretty penny.

PPS Penn Jillette is an avowed atheist. Glenn Beck is a deeply religious Christian. They disagree on a lot, but speak often on Glenn's show, and have some of the most respectful and interesting exchanges on television today. Here's an example: Penn Jillette and Glenn Beck talk Atheism, Libertarianism, and Church/State - YouTube

I've been on every network over the years, more than once, and I'll promise you this - if you want the potential for a thoughtful exchange that's not crammed into a five-minute segment, your options are limited.

Real Time is one possibility. Glenn Beck is another. I'm glad to have done both.
— with Glenn Beck and Bill Maher.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by daepp

I read an interview with Mike Rowe, the cool guy from Dirty Jobs. He is really bending over backwards to support the trades. Anyway, he has been criticized for going on the likes of both the Glen Beck Show and Bill Maher. His response, posted below makes so much sense right now. And it's not PARF. The two sides in this country better come together and meet in the middle. And pray for strength...

"Shannon K. Walsh wrote, "Mike - How could you associate with such a horrible and psychotic person that is Glen Beck? I wouldn't accept a dime off that hateful, nasty racist. Very disappointed to see this post."

Well, hi there, Shannon - and a pleasant good morning to you too!

If you want a detailed answer to your question, please take a moment to read my earlier reply to Bob Reidel, another crestfallen soul who couldn't reconcile my association with a TV host that he personally despised. As you read it (out loud, if possible, and in a public place), kindly replace the words "Bob Reidel" with "Shannon K. Walsh," and "Bill Maher" with "Glenn Beck." But prepare yourself - you might be forced to conclude that my true objective here has little to do with winning or losing your approval.

As for your personal characterization of Glenn Beck, I can only assume you have information not available to me. In my time with him, I saw nothing "horrible, psychotic, hateful, or nasty." I smelled no burning sulphur, no smoldering brimstone, and saw no sign of cloven hooves.

To the contrary, I found a very passionate guy who employs about 300 people, works his butt off, and puts his money where his mouth is. Do we agree on everything? Of course not. Am I "disappointed" by that fact? Not at all. The real question, Shannon, is ... why are you?

To be clear, I'm not here to tell you what to think or whom to hate. Like everyone else, you're free to pick your devils, choose your angels, and attach the horns and halos accordingly.

But the guts of your question - even without all the name-calling and acrimony - reveal the essence of what's broken in our country. You want to know "how I can associate" with someone you don't like? The short answer is, how can I not? How are we ever going to accomplish anything in this incredibly divisive time if we associate only with people that we don't disagree with?

Mike

PS. Not only did Glenn hand me a check for $25,000 made out to the mikeroweWORKS scholarship fund, he invited me to shoot a few PSAs on his set and offered to air them on his network for free. You know how many other networks have offered to do that? Not one. In addition, his viewers have purchased hundreds and hundreds of Work Smart AND Hard posters. I'm already getting photos of them hanging in high schools across the country. Glenn also signed one, and took some artistic license on my face. Which made me laugh. We'll auction that off on a future episode of C.R.A.P., and my guess is we'll raise a pretty penny.

PPS Penn Jillette is an avowed atheist. Glenn Beck is a deeply religious Christian. They disagree on a lot, but speak often on Glenn's show, and have some of the most respectful and interesting exchanges on television today. Here's an example: Penn Jillette and Glenn Beck talk Atheism, Libertarianism, and Church/State - YouTube

I've been on every network over the years, more than once, and I'll promise you this - if you want the potential for a thoughtful exchange that's not crammed into a five-minute segment, your options are limited.

Real Time is one possibility. Glenn Beck is another. I'm glad to have done both.
— with Glenn Beck and Bill Maher.

This is the elephant in the room.

As soon as someone starts in about the "other party" precious oxygen and energy is wasted.

Who the hell cares?!?

How about fixing it, instead of just finger pointing?

PS - I'm talking about PARF - not Congress!

But yeah...Congress is just as bad.

[Dansvan]

very good.

[72doug2,2S]

No, Glenn Beck is not a Christian.

[daepp]

I guess you are referring t the fact that he's a Mormon. I do not confuse the two, but many do, so I suppose you're right to point it out but as far as this discussion is a difference without a distinction.

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by daepp

I guess you are referring t the fact that he's a Mormon. I do not confuse the two, but many do, so I suppose you're right to point it out but as far as this discussion is a difference without a distinction.

Don't get me wrong, I like Glenn Beck. The article should have said Mormon, not Christian. I do like the song above. Thanks!

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by Baz

This is the elephant in the room.

As soon as someone starts in about the "other party" precious oxygen and energy is wasted.

Who the hell cares?!?

How about fixing it, instead of just finger pointing?

PS - I'm talking about PARF - not Congress!

But yeah...Congress is just as bad.

Bingo!

[Baz]

[911SauCy]

OP... Great stuff especially gearing up to walk out the door and make 20+ cold calls today!

Not to mention, the wife drug me to church last weekend. They posed this: think of one word for which you need more of in your life. Then, think of another on how you could achieve it.

My 2 words: Strength and Direction

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by Baz

Ahh yes. I have been surrounded by living examples of this tragedy in our society.

My UConn college roomie: graduated $128k in debt, as an engineer, making $48k/yr
Old colleague graduated $112k in debt making $34k/yr
Other college roomates $50k each in debt (twin brothers) with sociology degrees...one works at a parts counter the other at mfg plant...both wondering why they went to college.
Sister in Law $240k for her edu and she'll never make north of $60k....good thing daddy is loaded.

While everyone else was out drinking, I was either studying or working. Graduated with $15k, paid it off in 2 years and am already beginning to plan my next course of action... GETTING OUT OF THE CORPORATE WORLD

[daepp]

Another great guy who is promoting the trades is John Ratzenberger (sp?) Cliffy from Cheers. He supports a great vocational ed foundation: Center for America. He went to Woodstock - as a carpenter he built the stage

[daepp]

OT - he reminds everyone who attended to thank a National Guardsmen - they lept everyone fed and safe on Yasgur's Farm!