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porwolf 11-20-2013 12:44 AM

Macan is Coming!
 
The new Porsche Macan, the Cayenne's smaller brother is on its way. O-60 in 5.2 seconds!

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2015 Porsche Macan First Look - Motor Trend

MrBonus 11-20-2013 03:05 AM

I kind of like it and I feel like a blasphemer saying it.

R K T 11-20-2013 03:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7VPgtk7rTw

Chocaholic 11-20-2013 04:00 AM

Gotta give Porsche credit. They're doing what it takes to succeed...like it or not.

Harley Davidson should take a lesson from them.

cashflyer 11-20-2013 04:11 AM

It's the 4-door Porsche I have been waiting for. I think. Maybe.

Jim Richards 11-20-2013 04:50 AM

Not bad for an S-U-V.

GH85Carrera 11-20-2013 05:22 AM

Porsche aims to hit crossover gold again with compact Macan
LOS ANGELES -- People thought Porsche AG management was crazy when it decided a decade ago to veer away from a legacy of building only high-performance sports cars and develop a mid-sized crossover known as the Cayenne.

Turns out it was a great decision for Porsche's sales.

Porsche next spring will test the patience of true believers again when it begins selling the 2015 Macan, a compact crossover that likely will shift the majority of Porsche's volume from sports cars to people-haulers.

The U.S. market for small premium crossovers is projected to grow from an estimated 204,472 units this year to 289,202 units in 2015, IHS Automotive says, as new luxury buyers gain affluence and some crossover and SUV owners shift from larger to smaller luxury vehicles.

In addition to Porsche, Lincoln, Lexus and Cadillac are joining the rush to market compact luxury crossovers. Acura, BMW and Audi currently dominate the segment.

U.S. sales of the Cayenne hit a record 15,545 units in 2012, helping Porsche to overall record volume of 35,043 last year. And the brand, part of Volkswagen Group, has already topped its 2012 U.S. sales tally with two months to go in 2013.

The Macan will be built at Porsche's $675 million Leipzig, Germany, plant, on a line set up to build 50,000 units a year.

U.S. sales of the Macan are projected to total 10,185 in 2014 and 16,438 in 2015, IHS Automotive estimates.

Pricing will start at $49,900, plus $995 destination, for the Macan S.

The Macan shares some platform underpinnings with the Audi Q5, including its 110.5-inch wheelbase. However, this is not a badge-engineering experiment: The Porsche is longer, wider and lower; and the vehicles have different powertrains and suspensions.

At the unveiling here Tuesday, Porsche discussed only the two twin-turbo V-6 engines available at launch -- a 3.0-liter that generates 340 hp with a 5.2-second 0-to-60 mph time and a new 3.6-liter engine that generates 400 hp and a 4.6-second 0-to-60 mph time.

However, Porsche executives previously disclosed that a four-cylinder turbo will be the base engine in many countries. That would be the first four-banger Porsche since the 968 coupe was offered in the early 1990s.

With that sort of power under the hood, Porsche's Traction Management all-wheel drive is standard. The system sends power from the driven rear wheels to the front axle when drive torque is required. Up to 100 percent of torque can be sent to the front wheels, but the rear axle is always coupled via a multiplate clutch.

Because the Macan is a Porsche, a "sport" button will increase its responsiveness from the engine, exhaust, suspension and PDK seven-speed dual-clutch transmission.

But in the rare instance when someone might leave pavement, the Macan also can shift into "off-road mode" at the touch of another button, with throttle, clutch, shift-points and vehicle height automatically adjusted for better traction and ground clearance.

The Macan will offer three suspension grades, all based on a front five-link and rear trapezoidal-link design. The midgrade transmission offers electronically adjustable shock absorbers. The top grade includes an air suspension with leveling and height adjustment. Like most other Porsches, the Macan will offer "staggered" wheels and tires, with the rear 19-inch wheels being slightly wider than the fronts.

The Macan borrows many design elements from other Porsche vehicles, including the sloping roofline running behind the C-pillar and the shape of the air intakes, headlamps and taillights.

In terms of fuel economy measures, the Macan comes with auto stop-start and electromechanical power steering that uses energy only if steering input is registered. To reduce aerodynamic drag, the radiator vent flaps can be closed, while the underbody panels optimize airflow under the vehicle.

At the Los Angeles show, Porsche also unveiled convertible versions of the 911 Turbo and 911 Turbo S.
Top-selling small premium crossovers

1. Acura RDX 36,872
2. Audi Q5 31,979
3. Mercedes-Benz GLK 25,980
4. BMW X3 22,884
5. BMW X1 21,407
6. Volvo XC60 16,685
7. Land Rover Range Rover Evoque 9,128
8. Land Rover LR2 2,626
9. Infiniti EX/QX50 1,588

Note: U.S. sales through Oct. 2013

onewhippedpuppy 11-20-2013 05:33 AM

At least they've stopped trying to make everything look like a 911. I'm not excited by it, but the numbers sound good for an SUV. I'd be more interested in a midsized sedan with a flat-6 and a manual gearbox.:)

nota 11-20-2013 05:59 AM

no just no

enzo1 11-20-2013 06:17 AM

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scottmandue 11-20-2013 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7765727)
It's the 4-door Porsche I have been waiting for. I think. Maybe.

Will it be offered in a 2-door? If not, it should.

porsche4life 11-20-2013 06:39 AM

If it comes with AWD and will be decent in the slush, I'd be interested in one... Once they depreciate under 30k!

Nostril Cheese 11-20-2013 07:34 AM

Volkswagen VR6?

wdfifteen 11-20-2013 08:41 AM

Looks like a gasping fish.

quattrorunner 11-20-2013 08:59 AM

I like it. It seems the perfect commuter. I had an Audi allroad and this is a better version of it. It's fast, able and can go off road.....a little. Just an everyday do anything vehicle.
Still not going to be as fun as the early 911 aircooled coolness ever, but lets face it, we need a new car too.
What I don't like is that it will be a chick wagon. It will be at the mall, the Village grocers and that woman will think she's as cool as me. She's not, I'm way cooler. That's what I hate about it.

Dan J 11-20-2013 09:59 AM

They're going to sell a zillion of them Only down side is it will rob some Cayenne sales

matt f 11-20-2013 10:08 AM

With the intro of the Macan, will the used Cayenne market be more attractive?

onewhippedpuppy 11-20-2013 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt f (Post 7766393)
With the intro of the Macan, will the used Cayenne market be more attractive?

Probably. People that don't need the Cayenne size will trade down to the Macan for better MPG and the fact that it's the hip new model.

matt f 11-20-2013 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 7766409)
Probably. People that don't need the Cayenne size will trade down to the Macan for better MPG and the fact that it's the hip new model.

Matt J., thanks. I appreciate your input.
Another question. If the Macan does replace some future Cayenne sales, at what point down the road does the decrease in the number of used Cayenne's available in the market make them, in essence, more valuable than they would have been.

I am assuming, as Dan J stated, that the Macan will take some market share from the Cayenne.

Thank you again.

Matt

onewhippedpuppy 11-20-2013 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt f (Post 7766424)
Matt J., thanks. I appreciate your input.
Another question. If the Macan does replace some future Cayenne sales, at what point down the road does the decrease in the number of used Cayenne's available in the market make them, in essence, more valuable than they would have been.

I am assuming that the Macan will take some market share from the Cayenne.

Thank you again.

Matt

You're probably right, but it will also likely attract new buyers. They sell enough Cayennes that I don't think you'll ever see demand outstrip supply for used ones. The models appear different enough that they should be able to coexist.

G60SuperCharger 11-20-2013 10:38 AM

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livi 11-20-2013 10:41 AM

Cute. The rear end of an Audi. I like.

dan88911 11-20-2013 10:43 AM

I want to see one lowered with wider tires and flared fenders.

scottmandue 11-20-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7766102)
Volkswagen VR6?

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Bill Douglas 11-20-2013 10:58 AM

We should wait until Todd gets one then sells it six months later to see what he thinks of it.

scottmandue 11-20-2013 11:35 AM

Is it just me or does that look very much like a Mini Clubman? (just saw a Mini on my lunch break)

Rick Lee 11-20-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 7766473)
We should wait until Todd gets one then sells it six months later to see what he thinks of it.

He's never kept a car that long. You mean six weeks.

Don Plumley 11-20-2013 04:53 PM

I have a V6 Cayenne and think it is great. If I didn't need the 6K GVWR I'd be all over the Macan...

MikeD930 11-20-2013 05:24 PM

Is it possible to put a trailer hitch on it? Looks like there's no room to attach the hitch! I'd be interested to pull a lightweight motorcycle trailer.

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strupgolf 11-20-2013 05:31 PM

This small one is just as ugly as the big one.

RWebb 11-20-2013 06:41 PM

It uses an advanced Porsche magnetic traction beam technology to pull trailers, termed PMTB.

It also has PCCB, PEST, and POOT.

McLovin 11-20-2013 06:54 PM

As long as making that helps make money so porsche can remain independent, then I'm all for it!

Oh, wait . . .

stealthn 11-20-2013 07:07 PM

Looks great, lot better than the older Cayennes, should throw a turbo diesel in there as well. Now let's get out the Panamera Gran Turismo out and Porsche should have record sales.

GG Allin 11-20-2013 07:27 PM

So the S and the Turbo will both be turbo'd?

nostatic 11-20-2013 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 7766473)
We should wait until Todd gets one then sells it six months later to see what he thinks of it.

Nice, but out of my price range. If the base S is $49K, then one with any options will push close to $60K.

So far, the X1 is a total keeper. I love this car...

http://nostatic.com/photos/carbike1.JPG

jyl 11-20-2013 08:11 PM

It looks like a Subaru from most angles.

maler928 11-21-2013 04:52 AM

No!
It is Subaru that has copied the BMW!

cashflyer 12-21-2013 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 7765820)
At the unveiling here Tuesday, Porsche discussed only the two twin-turbo V-6 engines available at launch -- a 3.0-liter that generates 340 hp with a 5.2-second 0-to-60 mph time and a new 3.6-liter engine that generates 400 hp and a 4.6-second 0-to-60 mph time.

However, Porsche executives previously disclosed that a four-cylinder turbo will be the base engine in many countries. That would be the first four-banger Porsche since the 968 coupe was offered in the early 1990s.

Car and Driver is reporting that while those four-cylinder engines won't be making the transatlantic voyage to our shores.

Porsche will offer the Macan S Diesel in North America beginning in early 2015, nearly a year after the gas V6 versions arrive.

The 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6 is based on the same engine found in the Cayenne Diesel and the Audi Q5 TDI on which the Macan is based. Of course, its 248 hp is substantially less than the 340 ponies in the Macan S, but its 413 pound-feet of torque outshines not only the 339 lb-ft in the Macan S but also the 406 lb-ft in the Macan Turbo. Acceleration times, however, suggest the Macan S Diesel is still slower, with a 6.3-second run to 62 mph than neither the Macan S (5.4 sec) or Macan Turbo (4.8). The good news is that the Macan S Diesel is tipped to undercut the price of both, dropping the oil-burning crossover's MSRP below that of the $49,900 starting price for the Macan S and the $49,600 for the base Cayenne. If that C/D prediction comes to pass, that will make the Macan S Diesel the most affordable Porsche sold.


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FLYGEEZER 12-21-2013 05:32 AM

I'm hopeful the Macan will displace the used "Pepperbox" prices. A V6 Cayanne would be a nice replacement for the wifes car. Waiting for the prices to drop just a little lower.

Seahawk 12-21-2013 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 7767350)
As long as making that helps make money so porsche can remain independent, then I'm all for it!

Oh, wait . . .

Just read this little dity from Hemmings this morning:

In the first three quarters of 2013, over half the Porsches produced were Cayennes, 18% were 911's, the Boxster and Cayman 16% and the Panamera 13%.


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