Cool, i played a ton of paintball in the decade spanning 1998 to 2008, and was always a bit of a cocker fanatic.

I still have my Ripper-Milled cocker. It was from the first the very first batch in 99

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You are thinking of scientists.


Engineers cheat and just use look-up tables (!!)

When I took ME classes, it was called "semi-empirical."

Good post tho - I like the purposeful mis-spelling of support to make us all think you are an engineer (or an IT guy).

My first ex-wife is a Ph.D. mechanical engineer.

Did I mention she's an ex?

well Im glad you caught my joke........it was intended to be arrogant/satire

Im a nice guy and not a bit arrogant. You had me feeling guilty for a split second about my sarcastic response to your thread. However, then I remembered I wasn't the one that started a thread to generalize and criticize a large group of people

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Helicoptors don't fly, they beat the air into submission.

I am really that bad at spelling, amung the worst!

agree 100% and fixed it for you

I've been lucky to work with some very clever engineers, three stand out head and shoulders to the rest of the crowd.

They were all humble guys, easy to deal, would not accept anything but the best no matter how hard it was to achieve and were super focused on what was important

They knew what they were doing as their technical leadership racked up over 20 F1 World Championship titles between them.

I've worked with a lot of good engineers and most of these don't tend to suffer fools which to a bull$hitter could be perceived as arrogance.

I have also worked with a whole lot of arrogant guys who spent their time telling people what they knew rather than trying to understand what they didn't know.

spoken like a true scientist

Heck, that is well stated.

Because we can end the world as you know it...we designed it...we can end it.

You're giving away our best secret!

I didn't say "how." :D

The only good engineer to marry is a civil engineer.

I kind of suspected that. It was just too perfectly spot on!

Muhahahahahaha!!! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...amingdevil.gif

The world needs knuckle-dragger fast food grease monkey jiffy lube Beauty School Drop-out people too.


SmileWavy


thank you for your post.

:rolleyes:


So if you don't like the term "engineer", does the job "Sanitation Technician" sound better than Garbage Man?


At least engineers can spell the difference between There, Their, and They're.

You should meet some of the graphics or liberal arts students.

Perfect.


Signed "Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow" Engineer!

Actually its quite a bit more than that. You might be able to complete a degree program in an Engineering Science in 4 years, it typically take longer..

So you have your degree...to become licensed take quite a bit more..

Pass a Fundamentals of Engineering exam (declare you specialty here)

Now you are an Engineer in Training...or Engineer Intern...

Now find a job and get 4 years applicable experience ( this means actually designing things)

Now apply to take the Principles and Practice of Engineering exam..

Pass that and you can call yourself a Professional Engineer...

Now to maintain your license, you need to prove an certain amount of continuing education per year....

All this what sometimes is a "middle class" wage..

Two extremely hard exams, 4-5 years of schooling, 4 years as an intern...

I think we worked hard for the right to be arrogant at times....

do you know why after all that work you get to have letters after your name??

it's true...many aspire to be Spock...and not the Spock leaning on a Riviera...

I wanted to be Scotty..

I wanted to be Uhura. I'd never get out of bed in the morning...

Are most of you forgetting that the best part of Porsche are the engineers and engineering genius that went into them?!

Seriously, I am an engineer and do not introduce myself that way. However, when I work with engineers at engineering firms they almost demand to know that you too are an engineer. Since I am in sales, and most engineers are horrible salespeople, they assume I am not.....funny.

Engineering school is very hard for most and respect is earned upon graduation. Just as I respect anyone for accomplishing something difficult I guess.

That's funny...Normally, when I work on my 930 I have to ask, "Who the "F" engineered this POS??" Obviously, not a mechanic.

Wow, reading the first page or 2 I think I might be the only engineer who went through college without a drink.

I would most definitely say I am socially awkward. Engineers are about the only people I can really relate to, although I can get along well with almost anyone who is a classic car enthusiast.

After 4 (5 in my case) years of tough classes and hard work you really form a bond with your fellow engineers. If you aren't in the club then you are not as good- just like most clubs' attitudes.

Two words:

Differential Equations

That was a walk in the park compared to the crap my Calc II Prof used to give us...

Funny thing... I had reason to look through my old note books etc awhile ago.. I found some tests and at home projects from my DiffEq class....

LaPlace.Lagrange, Fourier.....My note books and test look like they are written in a foreign language... I did well in Diiff Eqs...

No idea how :p

Laplace is your friend.

Lol

Three more words:

Reverse Polish Notation

You ever hear the joke about the plane crash where the co-pilot was Polish?

Just watching a business major try to figure out an HP-70!

I'm going to have to pour myself another drink now. All things that I've tried to forget. Bastards.

Not everywhere in the world.

Oh yeah, the "engineering hot" is entirely 100% true. However, there were a couple girls in my class that would have had high scores in the wild, which made them all the more awesome. :D

But generally it seemed that the Ag Business majors were the hottest. I have no idea why. :confused:

Interesting thread.

Technically, if you complete that 4-5 year degree and pass the EIT exam, you're only an "engineer-in-training". You need another 5+ years of appropriately-supervised experience and proven proficiency and then take/pass a PE exam in your discipline before you are a licensed professional engineer. Most states have laws (that are generally ignored) that say only those who are licensed may titled as "engineer".

I'm an ME (tier 1 by the previously posted taxonomy, 20+ years across heavy machine design / nuclear / aerospace / semiconductor) and have earned my professional license. I consider myself fortunate to have been mentored by several "old-school" ME's when I was an EIT. A few observations/conclusions that I have at this point in my career:

- I find most "arrogant" engineers are new in their field. I don't necessarily see this arrogance as a sign of the profession as much as a sign of youth. I see arrogance as evenly-spread across most young professionals.

- I often run across "engineers" in industry who have been falsely titled; many don't have the expertise or education to carry the title. Some have been promoted to the title after completing years of technician-level work in their company. I have met several of these people who truly are arrogant (and in some cases dangerous in their practice of engineering). Fortunately, almost all of these cases required oversight of a PE who had final design authority.

- In my opinion, younger business-oriented managers mistake confidence portrayed by older, experienced engineers (or technically-oriented people for that matter) as arrogance. (Those in business who won't believe anything until they experience it first-hand often do the same.)

- Engineers, by nature and training, generally look to learn from the experiences and mistakes of others when solving problems. Others who insist on being "experiential learners" often classify engineers as arrogant.

What I find amazing about this thread is that the OP has been banned at least three times for not playing nice in the sand box in PARF in his short time being here and now he is running down two of our long time posters pretty much by name and alluding to them and other engineers as being "arrogant". Yet you all seem to miss that and prattle on about engineers in general. :rolleyes:

Good point, Hugh. I wasn't aware of his previous history (and avoid PARF). That first post sounded just like all the "stuff" I've become conditioned to tolerate from others...

Because it is more fun to ignore the poopyheads and just reminisce about engineering school. :)

We're not arrogant. We're just tired of you being wrong all of the time.

Nonetheless... an MD will do a residency for some years - many if in a speciality, or sub-sub-sub-speciality. Also has to pass boards.

A scientist will do a post-doc for several years.

Even a lowly attorney will have to pass the bar and then work thru being an assoicate, etc.