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yellowperil 01-30-2014 12:53 PM

Knox found guilty again.,
 
She's home but her BF was in court for this one. He may be in big trouble!

stomachmonkey 01-30-2014 12:55 PM

He's screwed.

Of course he'll appeal.

She won't be traveling outside the US any longer.

matt f 01-30-2014 02:37 PM

Of course the Italian court will find her guilty after the internal outrage of her conviction being overturned.
She is out of their country and upholding her guilty verdict is the expedient decision.

GWN7 01-30-2014 03:05 PM

If I was Raffaele Sollecito I would be living in what ever country that has no extradition treaty with Italy.

Rick Lee 01-30-2014 04:36 PM

Interesting case. Will the US extradite her? Italy doesn't have to honor our double jeopardy standard. And if we tell them to pound sand, the next high profile crime in the US could see the perp flee to Italy, since they'd likely not extradite him/her and certainly not if they were facing the death penalty.

stomachmonkey 01-30-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7884660)
Interesting case. Will the US extradite her? Italy doesn't have to honor our double jeopardy standard. And if we tell them to pound sand, the next high profile crime in the US could see the perp flee to Italy, since they'd likely not extradite him/her and certainly not if they were facing the death penalty.

I saw somewhere earlier today that our extradition treaty with Italy covers double jeopardy.

Meaning Italy knew when she left she was never coming back.

Rick Lee 01-30-2014 05:02 PM

Well, I could live without returning to Italy for the rest of my life. But I'd be pretty sore about never being to leave the US again without worrying if I'd be arrested abroad and then shipped back to Italy. I wonder how that works in other EU countries.

cashflyer 01-30-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7884660)
Will the US extradite her? Italy doesn't have to honor our double jeopardy standard.

It is unlikely that the US would extradite her without a big ruckus from the populace, as we DO have to honor our double jeopardy law. To extradite her would be a violation of her constitutional right.

Of course the constitution is just an inconvenient scrap of old paper to some politicians.

Rick Lee 01-30-2014 05:06 PM

The Const. makes no mention of jurisdiction wrt double jeopardy. I doubt they meant it to cover foreign courts. What if Edward Snowden were tried in Russia just so he could be acquitted and then safe from double jeopardy upon return to the US?

sc_rufctr 01-30-2014 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7884660)
Interesting case. Will the US extradite her? Italy doesn't have to honor our double jeopardy standard. And if we tell them to pound sand, the next high profile crime in the US could see the perp flee to Italy, since they'd likely not extradite him/her and certainly not if they were facing the death penalty.

Off topic but... A lot of your "Outlaws" are living in new Zealand.

(Something about nukes on a US ship in a New Zealand harbor, 1980s :confused:)

island911 01-30-2014 05:10 PM

So then, the Italians still believe that 3 people killed Meridith K - a drifter, MK's roommate (Knox) and her bf - amazing.

sc_rufctr 01-30-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 7884725)
So then, the Italians still believe that 3 people killed Meridith K - a drifter, her roommate (Knox) and her bf - amazing.

I don't think they actually believe it but the Italian justice system can be complicated to say the least.

Rick Lee 01-30-2014 05:21 PM

I just read this elsewhere, but why would double jeopardy even come into play? She was convicted. She won't be tried again. She'll go directly to jail and not collect $200.

sc_rufctr 01-30-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7884743)
I just read this elsewhere, but why would double jeopardy even come into play? She was convicted. She won't be tried again. She'll go directly to jail and not collect $200.

If that's true then I doubt the US would ever extradite her to Italy.

Baz 01-30-2014 05:31 PM

Staying out of Italy wouldn't be the worse thing to happen to someone.

Not that there's anything wrong with Italy....

http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-cont...011/08/ST1.jpg

FLYGEEZER 01-30-2014 05:47 PM

Oh my !!! There IS a God ! With reference to the picture..that is.

cashflyer 01-30-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7884743)
I just read this elsewhere, but why would double jeopardy even come into play? She was convicted. She won't be tried again. She'll go directly to jail and not collect $200.

She was previously tried (placed in jeopardy) and found guilty, but then acquitted on appeal. This second trial (the double jeopardy) would not have been allowed and thus people feel this second verdict is irrelevant. Others say that this was not a new trial (a second jeopardy), but a RE-trial after the original acquittal was overturned.

According to Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz:
“America's extradition treaty with Italy prohibits the U.S. from extraditing someone who has been ‘acquitted,’ which under American law generally means acquitted by a jury at trial. But Ms. Knox was acquitted by an appeals court after having been found guilty at trial."

In America, appeals courts do not acquit or retry cases, so this is unknown territory.

I still believe that there will be a popular backlash if they try to extradite her. She would need to forever stay out of Italy.

Is there any chance Interpol would try to pick her up?

carambola 01-30-2014 06:00 PM

i would have no problem with her, in a demented celebratory weekend, ends up unconscious in a gutter in rome

Jeff Higgins 01-30-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7884787)
In America, appeals courts do not acquit or retry cases, so this is unknown territory.

O.k., I'm confused. It seems there is no end to convictions that get overturned on appeal here in the U.S. - is this not done in a court of appeal? Or am I even more confused than normal, mixing up legal definitions?

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7884787)
I still believe that there will be a popular backlash if they try to extradite her. She would need to forever stay out of Italy.

Is there any chance Interpol would try to pick her up?

Is there any chance she is really... ... a murderer?

I admittedly never did follow this case, but it seems to me that if she were found guilty - twice - there may be a chance she actually did it. Seems like quite the public outpouring of sympathy for someone who looks for all the world to be a murderer.

sc_rufctr 01-30-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7884787)
She was... snip

Is there any chance Interpol would try to pick her up?

Doubtful... Can Interpol operate in the US without "supervision"?


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