I Don't Believe

[tabs]

GOD

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the dream weaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over

John Lennon


On felt this was an appropriate beginning. One is not a follower of anything nor anybody. One does not subscribe to any ideology, particular religious view, political affiliation nor even ones own family story, one in which we all grow up with One that shapes our world view and how we fit into that world.

One can not be transcendent until we break the chains that bind us to that family story. Then we are able to see the larger rather than smaller picture of the world and the reality of it. Until then we are bound like Prometheus to the rock of acting out our role as proscribed by ones family story.

The only way to break the bonds that bind is to confront that family story and that is to risk ostracization by ones very own family. A very difficult thing to do.

One has previously commented that Lincoln to be his own man had to confront his fathers view that Abe should not try and be more than his station in life dictated, that he be a poor, illiterate dirt farmer in Illinois. From that beginning Abe was able to be his own man and chart his own course in life.

[HardDrive]

I'm going to go out in garage and suck down some bong hits, then come back and see if I can sort out what your talking about.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I'm going to go out in garage and suck down some bong hits, then come back and see if I can sort out what your talking about.

Lubey and Tabs seem to be speaking a similar language here recently, maybe he can interpret?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I'm going to go out in garage and suck down some bong hits, then come back and see if I can sort out what your talking about.

That is a respectful way of saying that one is smokin dope.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by tabs

GOD

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the dream weaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over

John Lennon


On felt this was an appropriate beginning. One is not a follower of anything nor anybody. One does not subscribe to any ideology, particular religious view, political affiliation nor even ones own family story, one in which we all grow up with One that shapes our world view and how we fit into that world.

One can not be transcendent until we break the chains that bind us to that family story. Then we are able to see the larger rather than smaller picture of the world and the reality of it. Until then we are bound like Prometheus to the rock of acting out our role as proscribed by ones family story.

The only way to break the bonds that bind is to confront that family story and that is to risk ostracization by ones very own family. A very difficult thing to do.

One has previously commented that Lincoln to be his own man had to confront his fathers view that Abe should not try and be more than his station in life dictated, that he be a poor, illiterate dirt farmer in Illinois. From that beginning Abe was able to be his own man and chart his own course in life.

Translation:
1. Step out of the box of mediocrity even if it means you shun your own family?
2. Be something. Don't accept mediocrity. Even if mediocrity is the family business?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Translation:
1. Step out of the box of mediocrity even if it means you shun your own family?
2. Be something. Don't accept mediocrity. Even if mediocrity is the family business?

Rather your family might "shun" you for trying to step out of the box. "Mediocrity" does not have much to do with it, rather one fulfills ones own potential and or follows ones own path.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by tabs

"Mediocrity" does not have much to do with it, rather one fulfills ones own potential and or follows ones own path.

Figured as much. Threw in the "mediocrity" family stuff, for, you know, a little drama and outside the box thinking.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I'm going to go out in garage and suck down some bong hits, then come back and see if I can sort out what your talking about.

And this would be different from, when?


Just kidding man!

[aschen]

one of my absolute favorite songs from one of my absolute favorite artists. I think john really lets you into his head on this one.

I agree with his sentiments, but I aint no parf-er

[enzo1]

"Imagine"

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

[creaturecat]

nicely put, Tabs.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

nicely put, Tabs.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

The greater the deficit you come back from the greater you know your abilities are

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by tabs

The only way to break the bonds that bind is to confront that family story and that is to risk ostracization by ones very own family. A very difficult thing to do.

Been there done that when I left the steel mill and a blue collar life for college and an education.

I stood alone, and had to..............they (family/friends) couldn't come with me, and I couldn't take a step back.

Left this:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303990604577370182557339816


For this:
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/nime2012/Venue.htm

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Lubey and Tabs seem to be speaking a similar language here recently, maybe he can interpret?

OK, I'll make a stab at it. Really looks like he has gone through the complete cycle of attachment/non-attachment...so let me try to explain to you engineering types using a little math...

Ya see at first we have 'form' in our thoughts and perceptions were we have attachment names and forms where 1+2=3...

...but then we start to try to clear stuff up and work towards developing an 'emptiness' to where we see 0=1, 1=0...getting rid of all the crap and seeing that all of reality is really a wave form, a vibrational state if you will so basically my dogs tail is made of the same stuff as a diamond...yet it can keep going beyond that...


... it goes back to where John Lennon was at the start, to the attachment to emptiness...where there is no form and no emptiness where 1x0=0 and where 1000x0=0....but he kept going...


...and it would be easy to rest there and many do but some take it to another level were its liberation of form. Think FREEDOM of form, FREEDOM of emptiness...this is the realm of the magic, of Jung's synchronisity...where 1+2=3000 and 100x1000= -4....and some get stuck here as well...drugs help I guess and maybe this is the place where mental illness rests? Hmmmm....

...and upon further reflection and development, John got to a 'no-attachment world which begins transcendence and he began to see the world where form is form and emptiness is emptiness where 3x3=9...its big stuff time!...

...it comes full circle

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

OK, I'll make a stab at it. Really looks like he has gone through the complete cycle of attachment/non-attachment...so let me try to explain to you engineering types using a little math...

Ya see at first we have 'form' in our thoughts and perceptions were we have attachment names and forms where 1+2=3...

...but then we start to try to clear stuff up and work towards developing an 'emptiness' to where we see 0=1, 1=0...getting rid of all the crap and seeing that all of reality is really a wave form, a vibrational state if you will so basically my dogs tail is made of the same stuff as a diamond...yet it can keep going beyond that...


... it goes back to where John Lennon was at the start, to the attachment to emptiness...where there is no form and no emptiness where 1x0=0 and where 1000x0=0....but he kept going...


...and it would be easy to rest there and many do but some take it to another level were its liberation of form. Think FREEDOM of form, FREEDOM of emptiness...this is the realm of the magic, of Jung's synchronisity...where 1+2=3000 and 100x1000= -4....and some get stuck here as well...drugs help I guess and maybe this is the place where mental illness rests? Hmmmm....

...and upon further reflection and development, John got to a 'no-attachment world which begins transcendence and he began to see the world where form is form and emptiness is emptiness where 3x3=9...its big stuff time!...

...it comes full circle

Or, as Tabs states, "fulfill one's own potential and or follows ones own path."

BTW MD, what the hell was that?

[M.D. Holloway]

call it the 'path to enlightenment'...its just a way to understand how the mind works through the mis-perception is all...but it falls short because it is derived from mind and by that virtue flawed...

[aschen]

To me this song is a bit more literal

[tabs]

Lubey was always told to strive and be ambitious so that he too could become a CEO of a Fortune 500 corporation as he was good and smart enough. And if he wasn't ambitious he was "Lazy, Crazy, Worthless and Weak...and didn't spellchex." As he got older he wasn't the fair haired boy wonder and that idealized state of being a CEO was slippen away that caused a bit of a anxiety perhaps and that had to be reconciled. So now Lubey has joined the ranks of the "Lazy, Crazy, Worthless and weak who don't sppeeel chexxxs...and is able to follow his own path, where ironically if he WANTED to could become that CEO.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by kach22i

Been there done that when I left the steel mill and a blue collar life for college and an education.

I stood alone, and had to..............they (family/friends) couldn't come with me, and I couldn't take a step back.

Left this:
Canadians Make a Racket Over Mysterious 'Windsor Hum' - WSJ.com


For this:
New Interfaces for Musical Expression (NIME) 2012, University of Michigan

The question is did the family say go forth young man you have new worlds to conquer, or did the family say why do ya want anythin more than to be a good Union Man workin in the Mill?

We still hear the Union Man rhetoric of the Progressive Party wanting the workers to unite so that they can over throw the Capitalist overseers.

On would think that the family said go forth (or at least didn't stand in the way) becuase one has not challenged the basic premise of the Progressives as one still adhears to the ethic, As such one is still bound to that rock at least.

[M.D. Holloway]

as the snake eats its own tail...it feeds yet dies at the same time...a paradox for the ages fo sho...