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stuartj 02-18-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by targa911S (Post 7918802)
seems we all have played brown eyed girl......

Never have. Did a sit in once and played Mustang Sally. Completely cured me of doing sit ins.

See, why not 'Moondance'? Now, that's a great song.

Cajundaddy 02-18-2014 05:39 PM

We do Moondance, great keys song. I am a personal fan of the Van.

targa911S 02-18-2014 05:47 PM

I like moondance as well. great bass lines.

nostatic 02-18-2014 06:56 PM

For original projects, I'm much more picky about the songs. I only work with people whose music moves me one way or another. Cover tunes however - I'll play pretty much anything and do my best to make it work, whether I'm being asked to play it faithfully or reinterpret. That said, I typically get called because someone wants me to take the songs somewhere different.

There is a reason that many of these tunes are hits - they are well crafted songs and they speak to people. At Saturday's gig I played Brown Eyed Girl (it's got a built-in bass solo - bonus) and the dance floor was packed. That makes the 1am tear down worth it.

Music isn't soleley about what makes me happy - that's masturbation. If I can connect with the other musicians and/or the audience - that's music. Too many guys spend their time listening to themselves play and judge a gig on how *they* did rather than how the band and the audience did. Gawd knows I did that for decades. Victor tells a story at camp about doing a session with the Memphis Horns early in his career. He thought he killed it, and afterwards outside the studio Wayne Jackson pulled him aside and said, "you know Victor, one ear is for you, the other is for the band."

I try not to play a single note without keeping that in mind. Took me a long time to realize these things and a lot of hard work as well. I get it if someone just wants to play and have fun - that's totally cool. But there is a difference between playing and making music.

VaSteve 02-18-2014 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 7918567)
I don't agree. There is more music than ever, music is everywhere. Its never been more available. New channels and technologies allow young artists to record in their basement or bedroom and distribute their music- and niche

Yup.
Last night I bought a digital 8 track portastudio for $100. Damn nice equipment. Now I can share my ****ty original songs with my close family and others I wish to torture without hitting a studio or them coming to see me.

VaSteve 02-18-2014 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 7919000)

Music isn't soleley about what makes me happy - that's masturbation. If I can connect with the other musicians and/or the audience - that's music. Too many guys spend their time listening to themselves play and judge a gig on how *they* did rather than how the band and the audience did. Gawd knows I did that for decades. Victor tells a story at camp about doing a session with the Memphis Horns early in his career. He thought he killed it, and afterwards outside the studio Wayne Jackson pulled him aside and said, "you know Victor, one ear is for you, the other is for the band."

I try not to play a single note without keeping that in mind. Took me a long time to realize these things and a lot of hard work as well. I get it if someone just wants to play and have fun - that's totally cool. But there is a difference between playing and making music.

Isn't that called "playing for the song"? Tonight we did Hold Your Hand at practice. We ran through it a couple of weeks ago and I was only "meh" about it. Then all that 50th anniversary of the Beatles invasion hoopla was on. So for my bassists sake, I went home and ran through it a couple of times. Tonight's version came out pretty good so I'm pleased I could do this for the rest of the band. It's certainly not my favorite song to listen to, but it's fun to play and sing. Having a well executed song makes up for all the over drumming and forgotten lyrics in the other stuff we work on.

nostatic 02-18-2014 09:00 PM

You could spend a lifetime learning the subtleties of Beatle's tunes.

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And a lot of times seemingly simple pop tunes have sublime musicianship within them. For instance many of the early 70's AM radio pop tunes had amazing arrangements ("Brandy" by Looking Glass comes to mind). And I sat down to learn the Fagan tune IGY for an upcoming Steely Jam gig. Seems simple, then I dug into it and went, "whoa...this is sick" Then I found out who recorded the track:

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Rick Lee 02-18-2014 09:02 PM

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You could spend a lifetime learning the subtleties of Beatle's tunes.

So true. The British Invasion band I saw the other night had it, though. They had every harmony down, every subtle guitar bend and even had an acoustic guitar play the albums' keyboard parts. It was just amazing and made me feel like such an amateur.

futuresoptions 02-19-2014 05:51 AM

Update: I pretty much spent yesterday focusing on the set list, viewing YouTube videos of the songs that I was less familiar with and at the same time lurking in here every now and then to see how the discussion was progressing and to see what everyone's input was. First off, I would like to thank all you guys for taking the time to pass on your experiences, opinions and words of wisdom to me. It really does mean a lot to me. After soaking everything in and doing some soul searching, I decided to contact the band and thank them for the opportunity to try out, but that I didn't really think that I would be a good fit for them. They responded back cordially.

I think that if I was trying out as a guitar player that I would of probably went ahead and tried out (Following Todd's advice as well as others). Being that it was for lead singer, I opted to go with Dave's advice and chose not to try out because I would have been miserable and it would of eventually been a waste of time. I was almost reluctant to do so because I have been trying so hard to get something going for the last year to no avail. I have posted ads on Craigslist, talked to a lot of people locally, gave out my number etc... I have made one good friend who is also a guitar player and we have gotten together a couple of times and basically we would just improvise, I would lay down rhythm and he would lay down a lead over it and vice versa. I think what he and I do sounds unique and somewhat good, but he has health issues that he needs to address so anything with him is sort of in limbo. On a positive note, I went to the local salvage yard yesterday and found a Chauvet Hurricane 1700 and brought it home I guess for now, I will just smog out the house and crank the Marshall to 11!

71scgc 02-19-2014 06:49 AM

You play to the crowd.
Bars hire bands. You sell drinks, band gets rebooked.
Dance music attracts women. Women attract men. Men buy drinks for dancing women and themselves. Bar's bottom line goes up. Band gets more, and better gigs.
Yeah, it sux, but that's the way it is...
Carter (aka a guy who hangs around with musicians)

futuresoptions 02-19-2014 07:06 AM

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You play to the crowd.
Bars hire bands. You sell drinks, band gets rebooked.
Dance music attracts women. Women attract men. Men buy drinks for dancing women and themselves. Bar's bottom line goes up. Band gets more, and better gigs.
Yeah, it sux, but that's the way it is...
Carter (aka a guy who hangs around with musicians)

I agree, I think if it would have been a little more structured like a British Invasion type band or Classic Rock band I would have been more willing to do it. I guess the way that I am computing it in my mind is if I were going to be their guitar player, I would consider myself more of a session type player at the time and that would have been okay. I am very picky about what music I listen to on a daily basis and the vibe I get off of it. I think that translates into my willingness to sing certain songs and not others. I want to feel the feeling I get when I am listening to a song when I sing a song. If I don't get that feeling, I know that I can't fake it...

ramonesfreak 02-19-2014 07:34 AM

As a guitar player, I did not enjoy playing songs I hate by bands I hate. I've done it as a favor for bands that needed me to fill in. Never again. Don't compromise. Come up with a plan and stick to it.

Considering the amount of work and stress it takes to pull it off, why bother if its not what you want to be doing....



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Bars hire bands. You sell drinks, band gets rebooked.<br>
Dance music attracts women. Women attract men. Men buy drinks for dancing women and themselves. Bar's bottom line goes up. Band gets more, and better gigs.<br>
Yeah, it sux, but that's the way it is...<br>
Carter (aka a guy who hangs around with musicians)</div>
</div>I agree, I think if it would have been a little more structured like a British Invasion type band or Classic Rock band I would have been more willing to do it. I guess the way that I am computing it in my mind is if I were going to be their guitar player, I would consider myself more of a session type player at the time and that would have been okay. I am very picky about what music I listen to on a daily basis and the vibe I get off of it. I think that translates into my willingness to sing certain songs and not others. I want to feel the feeling I get when I am listening to a song when I sing a song. If I don't get that feeling, I know that I can't fake it...

stuartj 02-19-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 71scgc (Post 7919638)
You play to the crowd.
Bars hire bands. You sell drinks, band gets rebooked.
Dance music attracts women. Women attract men. Men buy drinks for dancing women and themselves. Bar's bottom line goes up. Band gets more, and better gigs.
Yeah, it sux, but that's the way it is...
Carter (aka a guy who hangs around with musicians)

That's how it works, sure enough.

But I'd still rather stay home.

stuartj 02-19-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 7919176)
You could spend a lifetime learning the subtleties of Beatle's tunes.



And a lot of times seemingly simple pop tunes have sublime musicianship within them. For instance many of the early 70's AM radio pop tunes had amazing arrangements ("Brandy" by Looking Glass comes to mind). And I sat down to learn the Fagan tune IGY for an upcoming Steely Jam gig. Seems simple, then I dug into it and went, "whoa...this is sick" Then I found out who recorded the track:



Its hard not be constantly awed by Steely Dan. And 'Brandy' what a great song that is.

aigel 02-19-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 7916856)
Speaking of great covers. Check this out. In a pizza shop......boys can sing.

Toto's Africa....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrC7e3vSv8

WOW. And that's probably AFTER the pizza. It is more impressive than the Toto version.

G

sammyg2 02-20-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by targa911S (Post 7918862)
I like moondance as well. great bass lines.

What about wild night?
There's some serious base work in that song, he's all over the place.

targa911S 02-20-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 7921707)
What about wild night?
There's some serious base work in that song, he's all over the place.

Great song..

nostatic 02-20-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 7921707)
What about wild night?
There's some serious base work in that song, he's all over the place.

The original, or the cover by John Mellencamp? If the latter, "he" is a "she" (and she's bad***)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aoywIHLqbs

ramonesfreak 02-20-2014 02:44 PM

I agree but you obviously have a higher tolerance than me. I can play just about anything and I'm usually the best listener in the band. It's the conversation between instruments that I enjoy most.

Even though I don't like playing something doesn't mean I won't.

But, The poster was talkin about the type of set list I really hate to play and listen to when I'm out, the beatles to Judas Priest and everything in between type.

When I hear a band say "we play a little of everything" I run away.

I simply don't enjoy this approach and unfortunately these types of bands are everywhere on Craigslist and in the sports bars these days

I'm not a fan of trying to please everyone at once, as a listener and as a player

I like sticking to a particular style within the context of the band.

I guess it's fair to say I could never play in a wedding band

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<div style="font-style:italic">Good luck. I've done this many times and it sucks. I won't play anymore unless I'm in charge and the set list is 100% agreed to and loved by all. If I hate the song or the band, why would I want to stand there pretending to like it as well as having to learn it.</div>
</div>So I have a different take on this and the caveat is that I'm a bassist so the role in the band is different than guitar. These days I play in 4 or 5 different bands. One is my band where I call the tunes and the arrangements, though it is very much a "conversation" with the other members (btw, we have a new album - shameless plug - <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/times-up/id813664748" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/times-up/id813664748</a>). The other bands are different stories:<br>
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1 - RCJQ - keyboard player books the gigs, mostly jazz standards, though we work with some vocalists that take us in different directions. I get a lot of latitude because I know how to lead the music and have played enough shows to know how to change up on the fly.<br>
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2 - jazz jam - I'm the house bassist and play behind a wide variety of skill levels, from almost beginner, mostly intermediates, occasionally top players. I've lost track of the number of times I've played Blue Bossa, Solar, Girl From Ipanema.<br>
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3 - live band karaoke. Over 350 songs on the list, everything from 60's to current pop, some of the tunes I've never hears (reading a pdf chart).<br>
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4 - classic rock/funk - a couple different bands, picked up a new one last saturday playing classic rock at a VFW Hall. Fun gig.<br>
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Bottom line is that a musician has some choices. They can play what they want, or they can play what others want. Sometimes that overlaps. I used to hate playing certain tunes that I'd done a million times live. Then I went to Bass Nature Camp and got my eyes opened. Making music and entertaining is about more than just the song and whether or not you're having fun. It is a conversation between you and the other players and the audience. You have a responsibility to open your ears and your heart, and play every note as if it is your last.<br>
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Since then I am happy to play any tune that is called. For instance Mustang Sally is often the "groaner" tune at gigs. I play it with a smile, and challenge myself to find something new in the song and help make it groove harder and engage the audience more than ever. Doesn't always work, but imho that needs to be your approach to playing music.<br>
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That doesn't mean you have to take every audition or gig, and life is too short for some situations, but I am finding that I can make great music with the right players and the song itself almost doesn't matter. You can view the tune as a burden or a challenge. I'm all about the latter. Ymmv.

VaSteve 02-20-2014 03:21 PM

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<div style="font-style:italic">I like moondance as well. great bass lines.</div>
</div>What about wild night? <br>
There's some serious base work in that song, he's all over the place.
We play that one and the bass is great! The original has the same lines. I like Van Morrison. I would never think to mix open and barre chords in the same progression. Then Gloria does the same thing for the solo. We do Caravan since the drummer picked it...I ended up singing that one.


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