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ckissick 02-25-2014 08:44 PM

7th grade math problem
 
For you mathematicians:

You drive 135 miles in 3 hours. You drive at a speed of 55 mph part of the time, and 40 mph the other part of the time. How much time do you spend at each speed?

doug_porsche 02-25-2014 08:56 PM

66 min @55 for 60 miles
114 min @40. For 76 miles

If you round to full min. You will actually cover 136 miles in 3 hrs at these time/speeds.

ckissick 02-25-2014 08:59 PM

Show your work, or no credit! SmileWavy

rick-l 02-25-2014 09:00 PM

How about 55 for 1 hour and 40 for 2

Gogar 02-25-2014 09:06 PM

Yeah Doug methinks thou dost try waaaaay too hard.

rick-l 02-25-2014 09:06 PM

distance = rate * time
t1 = time at 55 mph t2 = time at 40

t1 * 55 + t2 * 40 = 135

t1 + t2 = 3 or t2 = 3 - t1

substitute 2 into 1
t1 * 55 + (3 - t1) * 40 = 135
t1 * 55 - 40 * t1 = 15
t1 = 1

Flieger 02-25-2014 09:07 PM

Now calculate the redshift for those speeds and how much you have travelled into the future after the three hours have elapsed in your frame of reference.

doug_porsche 02-25-2014 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckissick (Post 7931546)
Show your work, or no credit! SmileWavy

I am going to show Ricks work because I like his answer

55mph x 1hr = 55 miles
40mph x 2hrs = 80miles

1 + 2 = 3 hrs
55+80 = 135

The marketing side is just trying to go the extra mile.
The math side of me says, don't do math with an ipad calculator and no paper while it's late at night.

ckissick 02-25-2014 09:23 PM

Of course, my daughter is in algebra, so I was thinking in terms of two algebra equations, substituting, etc. But maybe Rick's Occum's Razor method is the way to go.

aigel 02-25-2014 10:25 PM

Is this a real 7th grade problem of your kid? Where did it come from?

Rick-l has the analytical solution.

That said, a keen eye will see that 135 in 3h is an average of 45 and that you can get there by trial and error. More 40 mph time is needed, so let's try 2*40 + 55 and voila ...

G

winders 02-26-2014 12:32 AM

Simple, once you figure it out correctly....

d = rt

Part of the 135 mile trip was taken at 55 MPH and the other part was taken at 40 MPH. So we have two related distance equations to solve.

Let's solve for the 55 MPH part of the trip.

The part of the trip taken at 55 MPH equates to this:

d = 55t

The part of the trip taken at 40 MPH, relative to the other part, looks like this:

135 - d = 40(3 - t)

Add them together: 135 = 55t + 40(3 - t)

Now simplify and solve for t:

135 = 55t + 120 - 40t

135 = 15t + 120

15 = 15t

t = 1

So, the 55 MPH part of the trip took 1 hour so the 40 MPH part took 2 hours. 1 hour at 55 MPH and 2 hours at 40 MPH equal 135 miles.

We can prove it by solving it the other way around.

The part of the trip taken at 40 MPH equates to this:

d = 40t

The part of the trip taken at 55 MPH, relative to the other part, looks like this:

135 - d = 55(3 - t)

Add them together: 135 = 40t + 55(3 - t)

Now simplify and solve for t:

135 = 40t + 165 - 55t

135 = -15t + 165

-30 = -15t

t = 2

So, the 40 MPH part of the trip took 2 hours which matches up perfectly with what we did above.

june82000 02-26-2014 12:58 AM

Most 7th graders would say f-this and go over to the Chest Thread. I recommend you all remove your pocket protectors and do the same.

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winders 02-26-2014 02:06 AM

What, can't we do both??

By the way, I never got a word problem like this in 7th grade....I am not sure I got one like this in high school either!

june82000 02-26-2014 02:36 AM

Actially, kids these days would probably just google the question as a first step in figuring out the problem.

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Cuda911 02-26-2014 03:57 AM

This statement makes no sense:

Quote:

You drive at a speed of 55 mph part of the time, and 40 mph the other part of the time.
How did I get from zero to 55? Or from 55 to 40? Clearly, there must have been a nearly infinite amount of additional speeds that were driven. Besides, when have I ever driven 135 miles an not exceeded 55 mph? The answer is: "never."

I would submit the question back to the "teacher" for revision. There are far too many people that blindly accept this type of indoctrinated interrogation from so-called "authority" figures, without questioning that "authority." Leads to very bad things.

bkreigsr 02-26-2014 04:32 AM

Johnny's mother had three children.
The eldest is named April.
The second eldest is named May.
What is the name of the third child?

996 esquire 02-26-2014 04:34 AM

Johnny?

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LakeCleElum 02-26-2014 12:31 PM

If you took all the Pickles eaten in the world each year and laid them end to end:

People Would Think You Were Crazy........

911SauCy 02-26-2014 12:41 PM

I was thinking how I've never run into this, or any of the other stupid word problems we were graded on since...

...I left high school.

june82000 02-26-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911saucy (Post 7932706)
i was thinking how i've never run into this, or any of the other stupid word problems we were graded on since...

...i left high school.

^ +1

winders 02-26-2014 12:57 PM

The word problems were given to teach you how to think logically and apply the math that you were learning......what a concept!

june82000 02-26-2014 12:59 PM

Math is important and all, but how many people in the world get by without any basic common sense; practical common sense to be more precise. Ask the average teacher a simple question such as to point to the item on their vehicle that charges the battery - see what kind of answers you get.

widebody911 02-26-2014 01:02 PM

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winders 02-26-2014 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by june82000 (Post 7932750)
Math is important and all, but how many people in the world get by without any basic common sense; practical common sense to be more precise. Ask the average teacher a simple question such as to point to the item on their vehicle that charges the battery - see what kind of answers you get.

Knowing about the alternator and where it is just knowledge.....it has nothing to do with "common sense". "Common sense" is, as Wikipedia puts it: a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things, which is shared by ("common to") nearly all people, and can be reasonably expected of nearly all people without any need for debate.

The point of the word problem is to teach you how to use the knowledge you have...to think logically.

sammyg2 02-26-2014 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winders (Post 7932748)
The word problems were given to teach you how to think logically and apply the math that you were learning......what a concept!

And to help your kids when they get old enough to have this type of homework :D

june82000 02-26-2014 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winders (Post 7932786)
Knowing about the alternator and where it is just knowledge.....it has nothing to do with "common sense". "Common sense" is, as Wikipedia puts it: a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things, which is shared by ("common to") nearly all people, and can be reasonably expected of nearly all people without any need for debate.

The point of the word problem is to teach you how to use the knowledge you have...to think logically.

Practical knowledge is what I meant - knowledge that you can use in everyday life. Which, of course, would vary greatly among the masses. A South African Bush Man, and a NYSE stock broker differ in their common knowledge. Maybe the only commonality would be bodily functions and how to obtain food and water, I don't know. That being said, in this forum, my statement before would (should) be common sense among us.

Also - I didn't think it was appropriate to cite Wikipedia as a legitimate reference :D

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red-beard 02-28-2014 03:51 PM

x*55+y*40=135
x+y=3
y=3-x
x*55+(3-x)*40=135
120+15x=135
15x=15
x=1
y=2
1 hour at 55, 2 hours at 40
55+80=135

sammyg2 03-01-2014 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 7937052)
x*55+y*40=135
x+y=3
y=3-x
x*55+(3-x)*40=135
120+15x=135
15x=15
x=1
y=2
1 hour at 55, 2 hours at 40
55+80=135

Sez u.


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