Originally Posted by tweezers74 (Post 8008962)

EMJ, I understand where you are coming from. You just want to hear somebody cared about those kids. That although crazy random things happen, the victims deserve a little more than a jab joke here or there. I get it. Just know that some people here stop to listen... To both sides.

Sometimes I feel like people who confront tragedy and death, where I am sure you have serving in the military, there is a part of us that tries to numb it and say "s***!" happens every day, why is today different? If I had that perspective, I wouldn't go into work, being a nurse. I wouldn't try to save another person's life, day in and day out. Why? Everybody dies. Things aren't that simple. Death and life are such complex things that some people try to make very simple.

Not saying I think there should more laws, or that knives should be outlawed, or whatever. Just saying I too feel horrible for those kids that got stabbed and the parents that had to go to the hospital instead of picking up their kids from school. Their reality is much more grim than us sitting here debating on a car forum.

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009439)

hmmm...

How's it go... Manage that which you can. Accept that which you can't. And learn to know the difference.

Your welcome.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8009364)

So Ed, what do you do here? How do you keep someone from smuggling a sharp object, potentially non-metallic (so metal detectors won't work) into a school or public place? I'd love to hear your plan.

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009439)

hmmm...

How's it go... Manage that which you can. Accept that which you can't. And learn to know the difference.

Your welcome.

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8008212)

Now I'm curious. What's rational about getting a call from your kid's school that your kid has just been hacked up by a fellow student for no reason and that 20 others were also victims? I don't advocate pitchforks and torches, but what is that parent supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say, oh well, there's nothing we can do. Preposterous. They'll want to do everything possible to ensure that something - anything - can be done to keep their child safe. What rational thoughts and facts are you alluding to? Where's the supposed "witch" here? There's no imaginary scenario here - a real person was subdued in the process of committing the assault.

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8009526)

See Tweezer's post. She gets it. You don't.

School systems have a plan and it's called emergency preparedness and prevention, and it's geared towards knowing the pulse of the students and what friction and warning signs may exist in it's school that could lead to a tragedy. Anybody with school age children knows this. Apparently, you don't. Should an emergency as you describe occur, and it inevitably and unfortunately will, the plan is always to be as prepared as possible, and to always continue to improve on it. Especially, after these types of incidents.

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8009546)

The irony is that you still don't get it. No one is saying these tragedies can be prevented entirely - that's foolish. Stating on a public forum that it's just another few kids stabbed in a school and it doesn't move you as some have said - pretty callous. And to argue that trying to prevent such a tragedy as much as possible as foolish - downright idiotic.

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8009546)

The irony is that you still don't get it. No one is saying these tragedies can be prevented entirely - that's foolish. Stating on a public forum that it's just another few kids stabbed in a school and it doesn't move you as some have said - pretty callous. And to argue that trying to prevent such a tragedy as much as possible as foolish - downright idiotic.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8009557)

Your condescending tone does little to further your argument.

I agree that the school should review their security procedures. The emotional desire to do "something, anything" (per above quote) is where this goes off the rails. I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child. Sadly it happens every day. Death is not always preventable. 9 teens recently died in CA when a FedEx truck hit their tour bus. Statistically, seven teens between 16 and 19 die EVERY DAY in car accidents, which is by far the leading cause of teen deaths. Island's post is 100% correct, there are some things that are simply beyond our control.

So I'll ask you again - how do you prevent it?

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009589)

WOW.

Makes me think of a variation I have (for myself) to that earlier adage:

Inform those which you can. Accept that there are those which you can't (too thick). And learn to know the difference.

btw, I'm really bad with that. For some reason, I keep giving idiots the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was seeing a monkey learn sign language that gave me so much hope for every human. Meh. Good luck with your conspicuously empathetic outrage. --that will fix it. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8009638)

Very nice - bet you hurt your back patting yourself coming up with that one. Good luck with your next 30,000 posts bashing people who show empathy to kids in the wake of a tragedy. .

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009655)

Yeah, because I was bashing you for having empathy ...yeah that's what happened here.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009668)

Attacks?

get a mirror, fool. (will that suffice?)

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009674)

30,338

now what? Beotch :d

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8009683)

LOL Get a brain. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8009594)

There's no intended condescension in my tone. I believe you called me a "fool" for arguing that parents will want to do something to keep their kids safe. You conjured up this fake stance that I'm of the belief it could be entirely prevented. Please. My stance to your very bizarre rant is that you're out of touch if you think nothing can be done to try to prevent these awful tragedies as much as possible, and that any parent will want this. Hang on to what suits your needs and good luck to you.

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8009688)

Resort to name calling when the debate is lost. You're out.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8009691)

And I believe you're clinging to the false belief that you can control that which cannot be controlled. Lack of control is scary, action makes us feel like we are in control. Thus far you haven't made a single suggestion as to how this could have been prevented, only the vague notion that "something" should be done. People with the urge to act without any ideas to act on are the reason we end up with policies and laws that impede on the other 99.99999999% of society. Your statement about "any parent will want this" is patently incorrect, I do not want my kids going to school in a prison designed to prevent what represents a VERY isolated event. Particularly when the odds are far better that they are hurt or killed in a car accident while on the way to said prison.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Personally I'll invest my money in an excellent defensive driving program, and my worrying while my kids are out and about.