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moneyburner 06-17-2014 03:23 PM

The annual for this thing

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1403046695.jpg

was $15,000 three years ago, mainly to fix things missed during previous annuals. (It runs on 100 octane money). The airplane sold for around $2800 new. $300 for an annual inspection is borderline criminal. My very good AI found an elevator cable that wasn't swaged properly and when tested, it failed at about 60 lbs of pull. No elevator control can ruin a perfectly good morning, and I guarantee the tire-kicker IA would not have found that.

dmcummins 06-17-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by moneyburner (Post 8121433)
The annual for this thing

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1403046695.jpg

was $15,000 three years ago, mainly to fix things missed during previous annuals. (It runs on 100 octane money). The airplane sold for around $2800 new. $300 for an annual inspection is borderline criminal. My very good AI found an elevator cable that wasn't swaged properly and when tested, it failed at about 60 lbs of pull. No elevator control can ruin a perfectly good morning, and I guarantee the tire-kicker IA would not have found that.

That's why I'm not using him. Actually its not the labor that's bad, I think the shop charges around $75 an hour. Ive paid more for the Porsche, its the parts that kill you. I do what I can myself, which is basically oil and lube.

moneyburner 06-17-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dmcummins (Post 8121446)
That's why I'm not using him. Actually its not the labor that's bad, I think the shop charges around $75 an hour. Ive paid more for the Porsche, its the parts that kill you. I do what I can myself, which is basically oil and lube.

Yup, I gathered that from your message, but, I know plenty of owners who do just that. My last annual was at $85 per hour. The place that works on my wife's Honda charges more than that; it's why I dropped out of A&P school all those years ago!

Fair days!

(btw; the plane is slower than the C4)

Dantilla 06-17-2014 04:44 PM

This year, I will have the airplane up on jacks, inspection panels and interior removed, inside my own hangar.
The mechanic can show up do the normal very thorough inspection, and after any discrepancies are resolved, I will button everything back up.
I enjoy this, and I won't be taking up any floor space in the big maintenance hangar.

moneyburner 06-17-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantilla (Post 8121572)
This year, I will have the airplane up on jacks, inspection panels and interior removed, inside my own hangar.
The mechanic can show up do the normal very thorough inspection, and after any discrepancies are resolved, I will button everything back up.
I enjoy this, and I won't be taking up any floor space in the big maintenance hangar.

I looked around until I found a shop that not only allows, but encourages owner-assist annuals. I pull panels, covers, clean up things, replace parts, everything not involving an inspection; everything is discussed first, nothing is done without being inspected or supervised. It saves a bit, but more importantly, it teaches me more about this thing. These guys prefer to have it in their shop, because that's where all their tools, books, etc are. They also do as you described at your hangar and will do a very thorough inspection that way. Also, I'm being supervised, so I can log the time and eventually get my own license. I'm at 0S9; great little strip.

Rusty Heap 06-17-2014 05:31 PM

who needs an engine?


my neighbor buddy brad in his sail plane.


silent, you don't need ear muff's to drone out the 130 dB noise of a prop?



noise rushing by, is a rush in itself.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7GpxG45SCY&list=UUue4GZoUkUXZILpSv7o8iww

dmcummins 06-17-2014 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantilla (Post 8121572)
This year, I will have the airplane up on jacks, inspection panels and interior removed, inside my own hangar.
The mechanic can show up do the normal very thorough inspection, and after any discrepancies are resolved, I will button everything back up.
I enjoy this, and I won't be taking up any floor space in the big maintenance hangar.

I'll be able to do this next year, but I don't have any tools with me at this time.

Dantilla 06-17-2014 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moneyburner (Post 8121638)
I'm at 0S9; great little strip.

Good restaurant there. Nice view of the Olympics.

moneyburner 06-17-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantilla (Post 8121683)
Good restaurant there. Nice view of the Olympics.

Da goose.

moneyburner 06-17-2014 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 8121654)
who needs an engine?


my neighbor buddy brad in his sail plane.


silent, you don't need ear muff's to drone out the 130 dB noise of a prop?



noise rushing by, is a rush in itself.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7GpxG45SCY&list=UUue4GZoUkUXZILpSv7o8iww


That does look like fun. However, when I land on a sandbar to go fishing for a bit, I prefer not to have to walk home.

cgarr 06-17-2014 06:57 PM

Build one and its free, do all your own annuals.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...nterflying.jpg

Rusty Heap 06-17-2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by moneyburner (Post 8121719)
That does look like fun. However, when I land on a sandbar to go fishing for a bit, I prefer not to have to walk home.



I've gone up with Brad in a Tandem Glider..............and yes the "Final Approach" IS the final approach........

different strokes, he loves it and builds the gliders himself..........several kits from Russia came with a 1/2 gallon of vodka in the cockpit as a gift. SmileWavy thank you comrades,

moneyburner 06-17-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 8121802)
Build one and its free, do all your own annuals.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...nterflying.jpg

I see you've brought a spare set of wings! Outstanding!

moneyburner 06-17-2014 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 8121935)
I've gone up with Brad in a Tandem Glider..............and yes the "Final Approach" IS the final approach........

different strokes, he loves it and builds the gliders himself..........several kits from Russia came with a 1/2 gallon of vodka in the cockpit as a gift. SmileWavy thank you comrades,

Wasn't knocking it. It's all good!

sthstjh 06-18-2014 04:15 AM

DM you sure are a devil for punishment. Liking Porsches, airplanes AND boats. http://finanziellede.de/hu6d.jpg

RF5BPilot 06-18-2014 07:22 AM

I've had mine since 2006. Across that time, it has averaged about $10,000/year including all fixed & operating costs. Hangar rent is almost half the total costs.

At 2.5gph on Av fuel or unleaded premium, my cost per hour is minimal. Two seats lets me take someone for a ride & helps with BFR.

I've appreciated the variety in one aircraft. If there's lift, shut off the engine and fly for free. (OK...nothing's really free in aviation.) Canopies give you greater efficiency. Have flown it from WA state to Ohio & back. On a nice warm day, replace the enclosed canopies with open cockpit, put on your leather flying helmet & goggles and channel your Walter Mitty.

On short final; main gear extended (sorry about the picture size)
http://www.rf5b.com/images/070601_N99809Landing-e-s.jpg

gatotom 06-18-2014 08:43 AM

Our annual cost for a 36' sailboat is 5K which includes slip, insurance and fuel costs. If we rent a 36 footer for two weeks on charter it would be about 5K for everything. We use our boat all year or about 45-60 days in a yr. Some yrs we sail every month and some yrs dec, jan and feb is fix and repair months.

I do my own maintainance which saves tons on money but there are some things that I can not do nor do I want to do.

Initial cost with all things considered was about 50K and as long as I maintain it in the Bristol condition will get that when I sell or trade for a better boat.

After raising three children, this boat deal is a piece of cake.

MT930 06-18-2014 10:42 AM

Porsche's and boats are reasonable compared to aircraft ownership.

I have seen many many releaved of cash because of the wing addiction, my self included. I'm renting now.

Twin engines make it happen twice as fast.

If I could legitimately increase my business profit by owning and operating a light twin I would do it now. Mountain flying here requires known ice capabilities, singles don't give me the warm and fuzzy' s in the winter in Montana.

I know to much to pretend it could be justifiable. To many other obligations.

I want one! but the business side of me says (Take a couple deep breaths!) it's like crack until the fuel bills and annuals come.

It would be the first stop after picking up my lottery check :D


C 340 Would be the one
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1403116717.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1403116730.jpg

dar636 06-18-2014 01:30 PM

Got the illness real bad...
 
No cure in sight. Made possible by a pilot spouse, hangar to store stuff, doing my own maintenance 93% of the time and in keeping the use fun vs. driven by business or schedule.

If it quits raining here soon one of the boats goes in the water.

The 69 Century IS for sale...btw.:)


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1403126167.jpg

porsche4life 06-18-2014 01:48 PM

That hangar kicks ass! Jealous!!!


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