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And with that power it should be able to pull off sub 11 second ETs and beat a Z06 right...?
Won't happen. Sorry for the bias but this is another glorified tire-fryer (as denoted by the photo) to appeal to the wealthy light beer drinkers of America. |
Maybe. Maybe not.
I'll reserve judgement until the car is tested. |
No doubt an overpowered chitbox full of rattles and creaks. I wish we would focus on building good cars instead of eyewash like this.
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I am neither wealthy or do I drink light beer I and approve of this car...
Of course I am not wealthy so I won't be able to afford one. |
On the upshot, it should take the trailer park bedroom poster title from the new transformer looking vette.
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The Challenger is a pig, both the Camaro and Mustang are smaller and better handling cars. The new Camaro Z/28 is supposed to be a superb track car, and I suspect the new Mustang GT with the Track Pack will be pretty good too. The Challenger might have drag strip supremacy, but that's about it.
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So, you're telling me they're reliable too ;) The 4400+lb curb weight might have something to do with the strain on the 'ole clutcherooo |
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I sorta get it if I dont think about it too hard.
Id rather have the comaro with the ls7 or a boss 302. It seems like the automotive industry is out of ideas. How much will this thing be anyways? 60K? |
Even in AAR trim, it was always a struggle to get the E-body cars to handle well.
You would think with all the new composites and alloys, that they could get the weight down, tighten up the suspension, and find a way to make it corner. Unfortunately the 707 hp Challenger will be a straight-line weapon - not a curve carver. |
Typical Pelican responses.
Chrysler makes the Viper for track use. That's not what the Challenger SRT Hellcat is about. It's a spiritual successor to the 1970 Hemi Cuda, nothing more. Not that it has to be, the originals go for a couple million bucks these days, so someone appreciates the formula. Leave it to Pelicans to diss a US-built 700hp production car (with warranty!) for under $100K.....can you name another? |
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well the shelby mustang is pretty much the same thing with a mere 660hp or whatever.
Alot of people on the internet outside of pelican are critical of this car and its ethos. I like 'murican cars and I am all for spiritual successors, but I think they need to modernize the concept. This is more of a literal successor. Id love to have me a csv wagon, or boss 302, or vette etc. I think they should have gotten creative and made it 500hp with a stout awd system. Then they could brag about beating everything in magazine 1/4 mile tests. |
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This is a Porsche forum, pretty much the antithesis of what that challenger is all about, don't be surprised if we aren't impressed. |
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Eric, it would be like going into a biker bar and putting on some classical music... You'd get your ass whipped for it. Some things just aren't impressive to some people, this is a forum full of guys who love sports cars, who love to take them out and really drive them. We aren't looking for a drag strip queen. If you want guys to love a car like that, go check out a mopar forum.
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Haters gotta hate.
When i got my V8 914 running I herd a bunch-O the same type of comments. Gold chains, red necks, light beer, burnouts, white trash porsche. People saying it was too heavy, had too high of a CG to handle gud, and other stuff that did nothing but demonstrate their lack of knowldege. Then I took it to an AX at irwindale speedway on and inside the banked oval where there were 60 porsches entered and 10 of them were driven by seasoned licenced instructors. Lots of hotrodded long hoods with 3.6s, a real 73 RS, a bunch of AI or AX 914s, etc. Not a lightweight crowd at all, they took it serial. I finished 6th overall and I can't drive fer stink!!!!!!!! That shu****p. |
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Personally I think the Challenger is the best damned looking car being made for under $200k. Oh, and my first thought was "Confederate" (cf. Gogar's pic). My second thought was the Grumman F6F. I love my 911. I also love hot rods (the antithesis of the Pelican ideal). |
Lots of people are critical of the car all over the internet as far as I can tell, at least the sites I visit
Its easy to assume hatred of american cars, except I recall how that same internet circle was overcome with joy at the prospect of the boss 302 a few years ago Its easy to point fingers, but the fact is a 700+ hp mainstream car is bound to be polorazing. If bmw announced a 700hp 5 Series my coments would be about the same |
Any car you can steer with the throttle should be fun on a track for a lap or two. Wasn't it Mark Donahue that said when he has enough power to leave black marks from one corner to the next is enough.
For an open track day any car should be fun short of an Aveo. A Saab 96 to an F1. The ultimate limit isn't as important as being able to push them to that limit. For competition the new Hellcat powered Challenger wouldn't be my first choice in a pony car, and neither would the Camaro. |
The belief that the modern Challenger SRT8 is a straight-line-only competitor is ignorant.
The current car -- with only 470hp -- is faster around a road course than the BMW 335iS, the Nissan 350Z Nismo, Lotus Elise SC, BMW Z4M Coupe, Audi S5, WRX STi, and Porsche Cayman S The current SRT8 pulls over 0.9Gs, it has giant 14.2" Brembo brakes that stop it from 60mph as quickly as a steel-brake M3. The new Hellcat should perform better in every metric. So let go of your stereotypes. Or stop gushing about the Panamera Turbo, Cayenne Turbo, or any other portly vehicle that defies gravity. |
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You would have to be pretty crazy to suggest that a srt challenger is a better track car than a cayman or an elise. See also: by the same logic a panamera turbo is a better drag racing car than a challenger as it will smoke it in a straight line. |
Also are their any near 500hp cars from the lighting lap that it is faster than? It might be one of the slowest cars in its class
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I was going to say before we dismiss this car as "heavy, high horsepower, pig, only good in a straight line" lets find out what the skidpad #'s and road course results... but Eric already pretty much answered that question.
I really like the look of the Challenger/Mustang/Camaro, if I had the $$$ I would go Camaro... I just like the look best of the three... and I come form a GM family. :D |
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I am sort of shocked at how well my brother's SRT Challenger handles. Big, heavy car, but pretty nimble for a school bus.
Oh, and a Hellcat is an airplane. |
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Good thing they went for sodium filled valves to compliment the steel heads ...and despite my obvious lack of love... I truly think this thing looks the business, as does the new Z/28. |
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Doesn't the Panamera have a rear hatch and fold down rear seats, making it a little more practical for loading large objects? |
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With ever tightening EPA restrictions ect, I applaud any and all high HP cars. I think it's fantastic that automakers are still putting them in production. I just hope it lasts. :)
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Honestly a panamera is practiacally a limosine. It is a huge freaing car. For better or worse we can all agree that its a porker. It is shocking to me that a 2 door coupe can weigh almost as much. I really dont care much for either car. The panamera is ungodly expensive and frankly the challenger is the worst car in its class. It just happens that its two rival are pretty good cars.
A more fun question to me: what would win stock for stock in a dragrace a panamera turbo S or a hell cat? |
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Also, a Panamera Turbo S (typically equipped) is $195K The Hellcat is reported to be under $60K I'll be the Porsche has nicer interior materials as well. Shocking? |
BTW, I don't personally like the Dodge Challenger SRT8 Hellcat
But I wouldn't go around dissing it in ways it doesn't deserve |
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