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Civilization: nothing more than owning junk/possessions and laws?
I wonder at times if the only thing that really separates us from animals is the possessions we have and the laws on the books to maintain order and 'civility'.
The laws on the books keep most people in check, otherwise take them away for say a month, and you'll see 'humanity' revert very quickly to it's ugly self. "Progress" indeed
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Naw.
Cynical as I am, I'm not that cynical.
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not much DNA separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom...but little changes there make for significant differences.
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It wouldn't be hard to see things like that, but it's not that bad. That's not looking at/thinking about the big picture. There are always folks doing good for others and performing selfless acts, there are always bad people being selfish and doing bad things, there are always leaders, there are always law/military types. Don't focus on just one group over another.
Yes, if anarchy were allowed to reign for a bit, things would probably get bad, but they would then eventually get better. How long would it take, who knows. Hopefully, we never have to find out.
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The ability to think, reason, and discuss these thoughts with one another is a huge difference.
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There is more to it than just stuff, or that would be all anybody really cared about. I like nice stuff, but care about people. Some people just have a different idea about what is important, get caught up with materialism.
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To think, to create, art, abstract thoughts. We are far removed from the animals, even with no possessions.
Think about how much knowledge the desert Bedouins acquired about the heavens, and they owned only what they could carry.
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Tools (particularly Snap-On) separate us from animals.
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Is humanity, underneath, "Lord of the Flies" or "Alive: The Story of the Andes Survivors"?
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I can see chimps using Harbor Freight tools in my lifetime, but likely not Snap-On.
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Just watch the movie "Purge" about how decent people can hold it together, but given a chance to be lawless freaks for one night a year.
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(But I'm still looking over my shoulder, watching the progress crows are making up the evolutionary ladder...)
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by yourself you may be able to survive, but not thrive.
Civilization means worknig together for the common good: building structures and shelters, developing languages, sharing knowledge, using cooperation to increase capacity to grow food and create products that improve the standard of living and survivability. Specialization of skills and tasks. Not to mention that we, by design, are social creatures. Try living by yourself with no contact at all with others for a few years, you'll end up batty as all get out. As screwed up as we are, we need each other to survive. PS chimps are too smart to get brainwashed with the old "you get what you pay for" line. 
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Civilization = PPOT
or should I have substituted PARF in my equation....hhhmmm
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the stable a few years ago
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