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sammyg2 11-16-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 8355829)
With the drop in retail gas prices, the oil companies are not getting the big profit they're used to. So what to do? Lets keep the profit margin up on diesel and still make tons of money. Diesel is very cheap to make, cheaper then gas. They dont want to see profits drop too much. as the trucking industry is hugh, and they know they can't get by without it. At times " lets just screw some of the people all of the time, not just all of the people all of the time".

LOL, the only problem with that is, the oil companies DO NOT CONTROL THE PRICES.

They wish they did, they would if they could, but the market drives the prices.

Why do people insist on forming opinions based on fantasy when they do not understand the subject?

fred cook 11-16-2014 01:19 PM

Price of Diesel Fuel
 
The cost of Diesel has gone down along with the cost of gasoline here (Georgia). The last time I bought Diesel fuel, it was $3.25 per gallon. Still too high, but better than it was!

LWJ 11-16-2014 02:52 PM

I have a neighbor who is runs a super tanker. He mentioned that within 200 miles of US, ships will be mandated to run diesel at a date in the near future. They currently run the thick, nasty leftover stuff- Sammy will know the name of this. He said that he expects diesel demand to be way up.

VINMAN 11-16-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8356306)
I drive what i want, i drive what I like to drive. I can afford it.
I would not enjoy driving a little POS sheet box nothing on the freeway. I enjoy driving my big pick-em-up.
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Thank you.

Nothing pisses me off more than people who dictate what others should be driving.


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Arizona_928 11-16-2014 08:56 PM

I was really upset when the local Circle K that has had diesel at 3.05$ for the last few weeks jumped it up to 3.29$. If you're local to PHX I usually stop at the QT truck stop at 51st and I10 for fuel. They go through allot of fuel so there prices are cheaper when the prices fall.

It'll soon be back up to 4.00$!

Porsche-O-Phile 11-16-2014 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 8356023)
I would suppose it's whether you actually need a big V8 truck/SUV or whether you could have made do with a little 4 cylinder car.

Car or truck, diesel right now isn't the right answer for most

Nailed it.

I do a LOT - and I mean a LOT - of house projects and car projects. The typical excuses that people use to justify (rationalize, really) their big-azz pickemups and SUVs are bogus. I've transported electrical conduits, 2x4s, lots of bags of wood pellets, sacks of concrete, tires, wheels, bicycles, lawn tractor engines and lots more using just my 944s and 2-seater Mercedes (the best is putting the top down and having a few 2x4s sticking out the roof of the passenger seat) :)

The only thing I can't readily do is full-size (4'x8') sheets of plywood and gypsum board. I suppose I could do those with the 944s if I wanted to get a roof rack, etc. but I don't - one time I bought 30 sheets of gyp board and just paid $40 to have it delivered. No big deal. Another time I needed a whole lot of marble stone chips for landscaping at once - rented a truck for the day for I think $50 and loaded the snot out of it. Other than that, I've never seen the need. I drove a 3 /4 ton pickup for several years and don't miss it a bit. I never used it to capacity ever and when gas spiked in the mid-2000s I got rid of it for good. I'd never get another - especially with gas going to $5, $6, whatever a gallon. The rumors of them being good winter vehicles are bogus too. Unless you run in 4WD mode all the time (even worse mileage and even more wear / tear on expensive drivetrain components) there's no benefit. All the weight is in the front and it's easy to lose traction in the rear unless you pile heavy weight stuff (bags of concrete, blocks, whatever) over the rear axle, which of course detracts from mileage and carrying capacity.

People can drive whatever makes them happy but I just chuckle to myself when I hear people making excuses for their latest F150 super cab, Dodge whatchamacallit or the like. Unless they're doing contracting or deliveries for a living there really is no need. For the average homeowner (who undoubtedly does a lot fewer projects than I do) there's REALLY no need. Kids fit fine in the "normal" cars too (even with enough stuff to keep them amused and equipped at destination) - no need for a big SUV whatsoever. But again, if it really thrills ya'...

red-beard 11-17-2014 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 8355756)
Whatever the market will bear...

Price of diesel is down here, at some gas stations. I fill up for $3.179. On the same street, 1 mile away, another station is selling it for $3.599. I think in this case, the diesel moves slowly and they paid too much for it. Can't drop the price.

Gas Buddy is your friend. Do the search using the name of your city, not a zip code. Then sort by price. You can use your web-browser or download apps for your phone. Join the "crowd" to help fill in the prices.

red-beard 11-17-2014 03:51 AM

Oh, and the lowest price for regular unleaded gas: $2.25, the lowest diesel, $2.89.

GH85Carrera 11-17-2014 05:10 AM

The other day I was filling up my daily driver El Camino and watched a under 100 lb woman climb down out of her jacked up 4 wheel drive Ford F350 long bed dual cab dually. She had to climb down in a literal sense. She went inside and got a 12 pack of beer and climbed back up inside. It was almost comical watching a tiny cute lady trying to get the 12 pack 6 feet in the air to get to the seat. She was in full Cowgirl outfit and the truck had a 5th wheel connection and the logo of a horse farm on the doors. She looked like a real cowgirl, not a dress up version.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416232562.jpg

It looked like this one only with a very mild lift package. I would have bet money she was in town for one of the regular national horse shows at the fairgrounds. I would also bet money she was fully able to hook up her 2 horse trailer and driving to any city in the country.

I was guessing that truck was close to 70 grand new. She had the right tool for the job.

T77911S 11-17-2014 05:50 AM

depends on who ir ripping you off.

gas- 2.59
diesel- 3.23

down the road gas it 2.75 and diesel is 3.59

Macroni 11-17-2014 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs (Post 8355845)
Diesel is also taxed at a much higher rate then gasoline.


Bingo!

Taxes do not drop proportionally.

Still think diesels are the way to go.... Looking for a diesel SUV as my next ride.

T77911S 11-17-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 8357114)
The other day I was filling up my daily driver El Camino and watched a under 100 lb woman climb down out of her jacked up 4 wheel drive Ford F350 long bed dual cab dually. She had to climb down in a literal sense. She went inside and got a 12 pack of beer and climbed back up inside. It was almost comical watching a tiny cute lady trying to get the 12 pack 6 feet in the air to get to the seat. She was in full Cowgirl outfit and the truck had a 5th wheel connection and the logo of a horse farm on the doors. She looked like a real cowgirl, not a dress up version.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416232562.jpg

It looked like this one only with a very mild lift package. I would have bet money she was in town for one of the regular national horse shows at the fairgrounds. I would also bet money she was fully able to hook up her 2 horse trailer and driving to any city in the country.

I was guessing that truck was close to 70 grand new. She had the right tool for the job.


you would be surprised at how many woman drive a truck like that and pull a 30 maybe 40ft horse trailor. we just had a big horse event here and i watched quite a few pulling out of the campground.

my daughter was with a group on a horse rescue when they turned down the wrong road. this one "old" lady had to turn all the trailors around because it was so tight.

speeder 11-17-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 8356896)
Thank you.

Nothing pisses me off more than people who dictate what others should be driving.


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I don't think that anyone on this thread is trying to dictate what someone should be driving. Just commenting on sales trends of large vehicles like SUVs and trucks and who buys them and why. There are undoubtedly people who need a truck to pull a heavy trailer or haul and others who just like driving an empty PU truck down the highway, which is still legal and allowed as long as you want to buy the fuel.

It's just a fact that fluctuations in fuel prices hugely affect most people's choice in vehicles, if fuel prices rise enough, there will be almost no one outside of construction workers using PU trucks as regular transportation. That will be a big adjustment in rural parts of the country, where country music videos and other cultural signals seem to dictate that driving a PU truck is a sign of being cool or independent or macho or something.

The big 3 and Toyota are dreading the day this changes. I just read that Ford makes 90% of their global profits from various iterations of the F-series! :eek: I'm sure this includes all commercial trucks up to the F-750, (or wherever it ends), but still. Damn...

GH85Carrera 11-17-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 8357391)
you would be surprised at how many woman drive a truck like that and pull a 30 maybe 40ft horse trailor. we just had a big horse event here and i watched quite a few pulling out of the campground.

my daughter was with a group on a horse rescue when they turned down the wrong road. this one "old" lady had to turn all the trailors around because it was so tight.

Oh, no doubt. I see the hundreds of trailers at the fairgrounds for every horse show. There are as many horse shows as gun shows in OKC.

Picking out the real horse women out from the girls dressing up to go see Garth Brooks is pretty easy. Their boots usually tell the tale.

red-beard 11-17-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs (Post 8355845)
Diesel is also taxed at a much higher rate then gasoline.

First, it isn't a "rate", since it isn't a percentage of the price. It is an excise tax and fixed per gallon. And the difference between gasoline and diesel at the Federal level is $0.06 per gallon ($0.184 vs. $0.244). At the state level it varies. in Texas, the state tax is $0.20 per gallon, diesel or gasoline.

So my combined gas tax is $0.384/gallon and diesel is $0.444/gallon.

See all of the taxes per gallon by state here:

Fuel taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20 states the diesel excise tax is higher than gas
13 state have the same excise tax for both.
17 states have lower diesel excise taxes than gas

red-beard 11-17-2014 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 8355972)
I text this photo to Speeder three days ago, but it's fitting here. Diesel in Minneapolis is running around $1.10-1.20 a gallon more than regular unleaded. That's over 40% more. How would it ever pencil to buy a new diesel vehicle? It wouldn't.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416158063.jpg

Kaisen: What on earth are they doing to you up there? That price for diesel is way out of whack.

Diesel usually runs around the same price are premium unleaded, at least around here. It is a bit higher than that right at the moment, but not 35% more!

wdfifteen 11-17-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 8356023)
I would suppose it's whether you actually need a big V8 truck/SUV or whether you could have made do with a little 4 cylinder car.

Car or truck, diesel right now isn't the right answer for most

I wonder what that does to the overall market - do most people defer buying a vehicle because the current outlook is so murky or just buy what they want regardless of the price of fuel?

speeder 11-17-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8357894)
I wonder what that does to the overall market - do most people defer buying a vehicle because the current outlook is so murky or just buy what they want regardless of the price of fuel?

I think that fluctuations in fuel prices greatly affect short-term vehicle buying decisions and eventually can become longer term trends. People have short memories, from all the stories I see in the news about Prius sales going nuts when gas was up, etc. :cool:

speeder 11-17-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 8357879)
Kaisen: What on earth are they doing to you up there? That price for diesel is way out of whack.

Diesel usually runs around the same price are premium unleaded, at least around here. It is a bit higher than that right at the moment, but not 35% more!

James, that's what I said. They're getting hosed on diesel up there and I don't know why. It's weird.

Not only that, look what they pay for a freaking turkey fryer! :eek::D

KNS 11-17-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8357592)
The big 3 and Toyota are dreading the day this changes. I just read that Ford makes 90% of their global profits from various iterations of the F-series! :eek: I'm sure this includes all commercial trucks up to the F-750, (or wherever it ends), but still. Damn...

And Ford is betting big time on its aluminum bodied eco boost F-150 for that very reason.


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