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wdfifteen 12-23-2014 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 8407634)
Taking away their internets is a means of retaliation? Really? So...

1. While heavily regulated, the internet is where North Koreans can get dribbles of non-censored information, and communicate with the outside world. And taking that away helps how?

Communication with the outside world is limited to the elites - Kim's buds.

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Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 8407634)

2. How many of the populace were actually affected by this? 5%?

Maybe less, but it's the important 5% who have been show Kim is not all powerful.

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Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 8407634)

3. This retaliation amounts to no more than throwing sand in someone's face in a sandbox.

It's vandalism, like hacking emails. Tit for tat.

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Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 8407634)
4. No matter what language or what country, the internets are 99% noise, 1% information.

Kim's hero is Dennis Rodman. What are the chances he uses the internet to peruse the noise more than for information?

KFC911 12-23-2014 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8407894)
...
Maybe less, but it's the important 5% who have been show Kim is not all powerful.

It's vandalism, like hacking emails. Tit for tat.

....

+1 but in terms of hacking it's the proverbial Internet "beotch slap" much more significant than hacking Sony, et al. Not that difficult either from this techie's perspective from what little I've read about the nature of the outage...for "someone" with the capabilities. Just sent a potent message imo...

Z-man 12-23-2014 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 8407936)
Just sent an impotent message imo...

Fix it for ya!

If this was retaliation for what N. Korea did to Sony, it's merely a poke and nothing more. The Sony hack was an expensive one. The fiasco with "The Interpreter" alone will cost Sony millions in lost revenue. They had to pay their actors, and they were expecting to start receiving their returns starting now, during the time of year when people go to the movies. Instead, the movie will probably be leaked on the internets, where Sony will not get a dime for the movie. By the time they actually release it, most folks who wanted to see it will likely have already seen it.

Add to that the PR nightmare surrounding the leaked emails, and potential for identify theft, the cost to evaluate and contain the mess for Sony - that is a huge expense.

How much did it the 'massive outage' in N. Korea cost? So the 5 people who actually have the internets lost the ebay auction for the plush Hello Kitty doll. And they actually had to turn their attention to more important things...

IMHO, the Sony hack was like hitting a building with a bomb, and the N. Korea internet outage was like hitting a wall with a bullet.

Then again, there may be more bullets hitting the wall...

My $0.42,
-Z

imcarthur 12-23-2014 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 8407957)
the Sony hack was like hitting a building with a bomb

But it was directed at a COMPANY. The outage was a COUNTRY. A big difference.

Ian

KFC911 12-23-2014 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 8407957)
...IMHO, the Sony hack was like hitting a building with a bomb, and the N. Korea internet outage was like hitting a wall with a bullet.

Then again, there may be more bullets hitting the wall...

...

We just interpret it a bit differently :D. I'm with Ian....they threw their "firebomb" (over & done)...we sent a 9 hr. barrage of .22lr fire their way, shut the country's whole Internet service down (and stopped firing) with relative ease. They KNOW we have Internet nukes in reserve too :D. Sends a powerful message to the elite in NK regarding Kim.

I'm with Ian....BIG difference imo

widgeon13 12-23-2014 06:55 AM

We still have no idea who caused the outage. SmileWavy

Did someone or country take credit............

I haven't seen or heard any good intel on this.

GH85Carrera 12-23-2014 06:59 AM

I am sure it got NKs attention.

I see it much like they somehow grounded everyone in the world with a Jet Pack for a few hours. The vast majority of the population never even noticed.

If next they retaliate by shutting down the power grid in the USA they will really have everyone's attention.

KFC911 12-23-2014 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 8408041)
We still have no idea who caused the outage. SmileWavy

......

Nor will you :p

But "they" know...

techweenie 12-23-2014 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 8408041)
We still have no idea who caused the outage. SmileWavy

Did someone or country take credit............

I haven't seen or heard any good intel on this.

Shutting off an entire country isn't a simple hack.

But to the trigger event: the Sony hack happened weeks before any statement came from North Korea. Some security experts say the hack was independently done and then 'sold' to NK. So there's some question about whether the hack was an opportunistic independent operation or state-originated. Prior, South Korean banks were hacked using similar code, and that was believed to be state-originated by NK.

As for 'claiming credit,' well, we never officially claimed credit for Stuxnet.

widgeon13 12-23-2014 07:04 AM

“It’s a little early to say what the explanation is,” said Matthew Prince, chief executive of CloudFlare Inc., a San Francisco security and network company monitoring the outage. Absent the Sony hack, “I would have thought North Korea decided to turn the Internet off for some reason.”

KFC911 12-23-2014 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 8408059)
“It’s a little early to say what the explanation is,” said Matthew Prince, ...

"It's a little to early to say...." said Kenny Rogers

From what I read earlier, the nature of the attack was conducted upon the infrastructure from one (or more) sources. I'm pretty sure the techies know "what" happened, though Kenny Rogers isn't showing his hand....jmo :cool:

island911 12-23-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 8408041)
We still have no idea who caused the outage. SmileWavy

Did someone or country take credit............

I haven't seen or heard any good intel on this.

We don't even know that North Korea was responsible for hacking into Sony.

First, North Korea denies that they did.

Second, The Evidence That North Korea Hacked Sony Is Flimsy | WIRED

widgeon13 12-23-2014 07:38 AM

There you go. SmileWavy

gtc 12-23-2014 07:40 AM

Has it really come to this? Are we going to war over a Seth Rogen flick?
:/

island911 12-23-2014 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by imcarthur (Post 8407968)
But it was directed at a COMPANY. The outage was a COUNTRY. A big difference.

Ian

ah . . no.

North Korea can't even keep the lights on with regularity. Their Internet going down is less of a big deal than those in this country who forget to change their smoke alarm batteries.

Tobra 12-23-2014 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8407894)
Maybe less, but it's the important 5% who have been show Kim is not all powerful.

You really believe they are so cloistered that they are unaware of this fact, really?


I suppose that explains a lot.

flipper35 12-23-2014 09:39 AM

I think the same group did both Sony and North Korea.

yazhound 12-23-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveGTS (Post 8407594)
If true would reflect a junior hs mentality. How many computers you think it affected? Gullible anybody? The idea that they took down Sony is suspect also, since they do not teach IT in NK. Not saying they didn't contract it out.

Not so. N. Korea has a team of computer folks who do nothing but hack and practice at hacking. While the entire populace may not be thus schooled, the powers that be are smart enough to understand the importance of being able to use computer technology. Especially as paranoid as they are.....

yazhound 12-23-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 8408083)
"It's a little to early to say...." said Kenny Rogers

From what I read earlier, the nature of the attack was conducted upon the infrastructure from one (or more) sources. I'm pretty sure the techies know "what" happened, though Kenny Rogers isn't showing his hand....jmo :cool:

ugh... not Kenny Rogers.... was just not good the first time around....

widebody911 12-23-2014 01:07 PM

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