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I love my 987.1 Boxster! I drive it more than the other P cars. The dog is my co-pilot and he loves it, too!
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Spec Boxster looks like it might be a "relatively inexpensive" way to go racing. Cheaper than Spec 911, now that the price of eligible cars has climbed so high. More dignity than spec Miata, too... :D |
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Was helping him at the track last weekend at VIR. Mainly lugging tires and drinking his beer. Oh, and I plugged in his cool shirt connections.:D Anyhoo, he has a Miata "set up" for racing. Don't know the depth of the car's prep. It was raining Sunday morning. He has beautiful rain tires for the 911 but he is still only a fairly-experienced pup. Never rain driving. He said "Eff it, I need to first learn in the Pinata how to drive in the rain". |
My garage last night. I could get used to the whole "two Porsches" thing... SmileWavy
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I love seeing CJ's Cayman after the repair. Glad you saved it. Great looking car.
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The Cayman has great styling. The early Boxsters not so much.:)
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Yeah, I disagree as well: I think that the 986 Boxster is actually the most handsome of the lot. The evidence that they were a big deal in 1997 is that pretty much everyone copied them! As soon as the Boxster Concept hit the show circuit, BMW and Mercedes rushed into production with its competitors (I think it was a couple of years before Audi joined the fray). I remember the knock on the Z3 and the SLK when they were first released was that the cars didn't feel completely developed, and the speculation was that they were rushed into production to compete with the Boxster. Happily for them, the Z4 and the 2nd gen SLK became much better cars.
It's ironic that the knock you hear on 996s is that they're ugly because they have Boxster headlights; I think that the Boxster is much, much better-looking than the 996.1, which looks sorta frumpy from most angles. To me, the 987 Boxster looks much more bland than the 986, almost as though they were trying to play it safe with the design and ended up making a generic-looking car. It's not a bad-looking car, mind you, it just looks sorta "in-between"; for some reason, the 987 design looks better on the Cayman. The 981 is certainly striking-looking, but I don't love how big they're getting. I guess it's just the way of the world, considering that the newest Mini Cooper is the size of 20 years ago's small SUV. |
I totally agree that the 986.1 has aged very well, and that the 987 looks better in Cayman style. The 987 Boxster lost the rear hips but they became more pronounced on the Cayman, which is a damn good looking car.
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The Cayman and the 911 look better as coupes. I find the convertibles are not as pleasing to the eye particularly with the top up. Each one to their own though. When I first bought my 2001 Boxster I was happy to get a Porsche at a reasonable price.
Since I have owned my 2013 PRHT Miata in January I have had the top down once just to see what it felt like. I would consider a Cayman the next time round because they have the styling spot on.:) |
I should add that the Boxster Spyder does take things to the next level, though; very desirable car.
I even swapped out my side vents ("gills") for the much-cleaner (and complimentary colors for my car) Boxster Spyder units. Aesthetically, it's made a huge difference, IMHO. |
I will jump into this discussion. As a former hotrod early 911 owner I am on the Boxster bandwagon now. After selling my 911 I was looking for either a 996 or 997 that was unique. Problem is 99% of them are black or silver and basically bland. If you happen to find a well optioned car in an actual color move fast because they don't seem to last long. I stumbled on this 2000 Boxster S and my wife and I fell in love with it. After going for a ride in it and looking it over it took me about 10 minutes to decide to buy it.
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Boxster Spyder is a bucket list car for me, it is near the top of my favorite Porsche list.
Kevin, I love the look of the color matched centers! Was that factory? |
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Next up on my list of todos is clutch and IMSB. Just trying to decide if I am going to do it myself or job it out. |
Another convert here. I used to look down on the Boxster. Now, I own two of them along with my four air cooled 911's and three 914's
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How do you like the plenum and throttle body mod? |
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465221366.jpg The plenum/TB upgrade is great. It's tough to say how much impact they alone had on the performance of the car, because all of the upgrades (plenum, TB, exhaust, tune) all work in tandem to make the car more responsive. Much better mid-range torque, much more direct throttle response, and I'm sure a lot more peak HP. The biggest difference in terms of performance was definitely the exhaust upgrade, followed by the tune... but whatever you plan on doing, do the tune last so that all of the upgrades are considered when the tune is programmed. This is the order I would do the upgrades: 1) Exhaust/headers 2) Plenum/TB 3) Tune. The car is MUCH faster and more fun to drive after tackling these upgrades. It just pulls harder from low RPM and that Fabspeed exhaust note is intoxicating. |
^ I understand the concept that the systems work together, etc.
But what do you mean by "tune" in terms of a performance upgrade? That seems like just normal maintenance. I also have to say, as a lifelong aircooled guy, I'm not comfortable calling snap in plastic parts anything other than a cosmetic modification. |
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It's the equivalent of ''chipping'' your 911 and converting your MAF |
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That sounds good. I think I saw something about using the TB and Plenum from a Spyder on a site the other day too. Same idea as the GT3 TB and plenum mod that you did, but slightly different parts. Yeah, I'd be happy to do the performance upgrades too, but I'm still under CPO warranty for a bit and not looking to spend that much right now. I'd also really love a torque biasing diff. If only I had a bunch of extra money just laying around. |
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Rusnak, sorry -- I should have been more clear; I'm used to posting about mods over at Planet9, where all of the users already have Boxsters or Caymans and are used to the vernacular. Yes, by TB I mean "throttle body" -- the opening for the IPD plenum is 82mm, larger than the stock 987 opening. It is designed to work with a 997 GT3 throttle body. And the "tune" is exactly what the others describe -- it's like "chipping" a 1980s-90s car, or putting more aggressive jets/carbs on an older car. Bolt-on mods alone won't significantly improve the performance of a 987 because the car's computer will always deliver the same air-fuel mixture as long as the software remains stock. You might get a little bit more throttle response out of bolt-on mods, but to optimize their impact, you need an ECU tune. Since everything is managed by an onboard computer these days, when you purchase a "tune," the company sends you an OBD port adapter and software. You load the software up to your laptop and connect it to your car's OBD port. The program then reads the file from your stock computer, which you send to the tuning company with a list of your bolt-on mods. The tuner then builds a "map" in the software that takes into account your mods and optimizes the air-fuel mixture, timing, etc., to get more performance out of the car. You then reconnect your laptop to the car, upload the new software map, and bingo! You get a much smoother and stronger torque curve as well as considerably higher peak HP. It really does make a pretty huge difference. |
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I've been looking at this Porsche Diagnostic Store | Durametric Software Products for Sale It's to read trouble codes and reset the service light. What do you guys use for that? |
The one cosmetic mod (actually 2) that I did was to switch all of the interior lights and exterior halogens to LED. Now the lights are all LED and whatever the headlights are. They look like there might be two different types of lights in there. I'd love to switch them for HID but I need to find someone who's done that.
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My recommendation is to kill two birds with one stone. I went with VividRacing, which Pelican member Sydney (porsche4life) works for; I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any more specific questions you might have about their products. They have awesome customer service, in my experience, and I am very happy with the tune. |
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Love Durametric- couldn't imagine owning a newer Porsche without it.
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Because they're ugly...
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I think I need to get a PC laptop to go with it. I have an OBD II scanner, but it's limited in terms of what it can read. OTOH, the scanner cost more than the Durametric does. |
Lots of good comments on this thread.
We have a 2003 2.7 Boxster as a loaner car and are building a 2002 3.2S race car. The 2.7 car is fun to drive. Most 996/997 owners who use it say "can't believe how fun it is" or "Its quicker than I expected". They are fun cars, but not for everyone. Interesting too about the gender issues. I prefer our 997 S and 996 Turbo. My wife prefers our Cayman (soon to have a built 3.8). But we both enjoy driving the Boxster with the roof down. |
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Are all these reading capabilities available on the "Enthusiast Kit"? Pricing actually isn't too bad. |
Matt hit it perfectly. Our cable will read the standard codes, durametric is way more in depth for troubleshooting.
And yes if you are interested in ECU tuning, pm me! |
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How long does it take to do and undo the desnorkel mod? It looks like it's about 10-15 mins if that unless you are going to put a mesh in place. Of course, with the Spyder vent insert, I wouldn't think the mesh would be necessary. OK, I've also looked at a couple of explanations of the desnorkel process, and it seems there is a huge restrictor plate that is designed to prevent item intrusion (ie cigarette butts) and an actual snorkel. Is the goal to actually desnorkel or deplate? I would think the snorkel would be good, but the plate would be bad. |
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Mods that I'd like to do are TB and plenum with a tune, and torque biasing diff. I find that at times I get some wheel spin that I don't like. On my previous car, a factory turbo miata, I had a torque biasing diff, and I liked what seemed like a bit more predictable traction and predictable behavior with it. At least now that we are in the summer months, I have more traction than when it's cold out. I factory short shift kit might be nice too. The Spyder vents would also be something that I'd consider as well as some 18" wheels if they were lighter than my 19". |
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