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speeder 06-10-2015 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Noney (Post 8660957)
Don't those cops carry pepper spray? This seems like a situation tailor-made for that.

You show up with the intent to disperse a mob/crowd and they don't comply, I would think that waving around pepper spray instead of verbal abuse would go much farther towards getting people to move.

Was dispersion not their goal, what am I missing???
You missed the video, apparently. The cop was trying to get the kids to NOT disperse. To stay put.

DonDavis 06-10-2015 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8660979)
You missed the video, apparently. The cop was trying to get the kids to NOT disperse. To stay put.
He gave very clear instruction several times to many of the kids to "leave, now" including the girl that was detained. There were a few told to sit and wait, but he pointed at the group of girls repeatedly telling them to leave. They didn't. Then it looked like the girls got mouthy.

I don't like the way the girl was handled, but she was told to leave and she just walked around ignoring him, yelling across the street.

And just because there's a video, nothing is shown of when they first arrived. What we all see is a very, very small part of the whole story.

If upon arrival, he jumped out and immediately started his interaction that way, he was way out of line. I wasn't there. Neither were any of us and to try and make blanket statements based on that video is irresponsible.

Also, people trying to debate police etiquette or processes trying to use this video as a talking point is unfair. We're all bigger than that.

Racerbvd 06-10-2015 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Noney (Post 8660957)
Don't those cops carry pepper spray? This seems like a situation tailor-made for that.

You show up with the intent to disperse a mob/crowd and they don't comply, I would think that waving around pepper spray instead of verbal abuse would go much farther towards getting people to move.

Was dispersion not their goal, what am I missing???
And most likely those White kids weren't criminally trespassers, attacking people who were supposed to be there or vandalizing private property. Why does everything seem to ignore the fact that the cops were called because the kids who trespassed and were causing trouble. The cop reacted because of the actions the kids took, not the skin color. Even Bikers are smart enough to know to do what cops tell them to do. Those punks have a Civil Responsibility to obey Lawful Orders, they choose not too, if they get their heads cracked it is nobody's fault but their own, had they not chosen to trespass, assault others ad vandalizing others property, there wouldn't have been an issue.

Noney 06-10-2015 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8660979)
You missed the video, apparently.
Uh, no...:rolleyes:

The kid who shot the video said that things had been going on for quite some time before he started filming, and when it picks up we see Rambo running around, falling, telling people to both sit down and leave, and when they didn't obey his orders and got mouthy, his ego got bruised and he went ballistic, grabbing bikini girl and slamming her down. The cops were called because a mob had descended on a private pool in a gated community. Rambo was outnumbered by mouthy teens who didn't want to listen to him and chose not to leave. He lost control.

So I'll ask again: Wasn't crowd dispersion the goal of the police in this situation, and wouldn't pepper spray have been an effective tool?

onewhippedpuppy 06-10-2015 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8660734)
It's just amazing to me how some people see young black kids dressed just fine, doing nothing wrong, (on the video), and assign some criminal element to them that would justify all kinds of police aggression. It's pure racism, which is always rooted in fear and cowardice, to me.

In my apartment building in Los Angeles, there are a handful of young blacks who like to throw a BBQ by the pool on summer weekends or 3-day holidays sometimes. They might fire up a joint and play some music of their choice and they look a lot less Mayberry RFD than the kids in the video, with typical tattoos and urban styled clothing of the current era. Not only are they perfectly friendly and polite to an old white guy, (me), but on a couple of occasions I have asked for a noise reduction or to wrap up the party because it's sleepy time for us old folks and gotten zero lip and good manners in return.

Yes, there are black people, (and white, etc.), who are thugs and bad people. Why is America so afraid of regular blacks? I personally think that a lot of police in America are woefully unexposed to people different from themselves and while not viscous racists, they are afraid of blacks and view them through this fear and unfamiliarity. Same with many here. Not bad people, just very unworldly and afraid. :(
Congratulations on being so open minded because you have black neighbors.:rolleyes: I have a black sister-in-law and two black brother-in-laws and we all bbq together, so I guess that just makes me super enlightened!

Why do people ignore all of the facts of this case? Are you watching too much cable news? These kids were trespassing and asked to leave, damaging neighborhood property, threatening adult neighbors, and starting fights. Is that your definition of "regular black"?! Because I know plenty of black people that go to work each day, support their families, and respect authority just like I do. NONE of the BS that these kids were engaging in would fly at my house with my kids, nor would it fly in any household with responsible parents of ANY color.

stomachmonkey 06-10-2015 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8661064)
...These kids were trespassing and asked to leave, damaging neighborhood property, threatening adult neighbors, and starting fights.....
Some of the kids were residents. Many of those who were not were guests of the residents.

Those types of HOA's and facilities are very common in this part of TX, they are "the norm"

To get into the facility you need a pass key individually assigned and coded to you to open the gate. Once inside you sign in, name, address, and number of guests that you are bringing with you. You are typically limited a maximum number of guests. In this case 2.

Reportedly most of these kids knew each other from either the neighborhood or school.

If you have as few as 10 residents who brought in guests you've got 30 kids who are legitimately allowed to be there.

Even 30 kids in a pool that size is going to feel like a lot.

Reportedly some kids tried to hop the fence and surely some succeeded.

The question then becomes how many of "the mob" were residents and guests of residents and how many were not.

As far as the kids starting the fight? So far there have been 3 people who publicly stated that the fight started after racial slurs were used by white adults who initiated the physical contact.

I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise do so in a public forum.

I tend to give more credibility to people unafraid to show their faces.

nostatic 06-10-2015 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8661127)
As far as the kids starting the fight? So far there have been 3 people who publicly stated that the fight started after racial slurs were used by white adults who initiated the physical contact.
Or that fat white guy in the video who walks around following the cop to make sure he "cleans up the place"?

Dueller 06-10-2015 11:59 AM
Wow...press conference by his attorney revealed a lot of the background of what officer had dealt with just before responding to this call....wasn't expecting that. Dude was understandably stressed although it doesn't justify his behavior...just explains it

nostatic 06-10-2015 12:09 PM
And in other news...

911 caller in Texas pool party incident was convicted of torturing animals | US news | The Guardian

Dueller 06-10-2015 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 8661335)
In Texas murdering a cow is a capital offense....

widebody911 06-10-2015 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dueller (Post 8661355)
In Texas murdering a cow is a capital offense....
But it's completely legal to have sex with one...

M.D. Holloway 06-10-2015 12:44 PM
Murdering a horse is, killing a cow is called a BBQ

M.D. Holloway 06-10-2015 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by foxpaws (Post 8660842)
However, I would imagine the cops who were called in at those parties didn't enter the scene swearing at the kids (they too know who butters the bread).

And those white kids also don't have to worry about a certain 'history' when it comes to cops. The black kids at the pool party have cause to fear for their lives when cops come in swearing at them, escalating the situation. I am sure the cops who approached the 'Cape Cod' party, did so with deescalation in mind, and white kids at the Cod have very little to fear with regards that the cops might just kill them because they aren't the 'right' color.
True dat and all the more reason that if you know a cop has it in for you wouldn't you be ultra cooperative ? A rich white kid could spew off without retribution but they didn't

Tobra 06-10-2015 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 8659243)
Just had a news conference with police chief. Reading between the lines, it sounds like the officer would have been fired and was allowed to resign. Chief was adamant that out of 12 officers deployed, only the one was "out of control" and failed to do the right thing.
Reading between the lines? I had no idea you were psychic. He is trying to keep people from rioting, which is what comes next. Death threats to the officer in question are already happening. That was an action that was motivated by political pressure, 100%

If my 14 year old daughter is acting like the one in the bikini, she had better hope they put her in jail to keep her away from me.

Thank goodness we are a post racial society now:rolleyes:

Is there anyone that actually believes anything about this was racially motivated?

widebody911 06-10-2015 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 8661420)
Is there anyone that actually believes anything about this was racially motivated?
  • Jesse Jackson
  • Al Sharpton
  • ...

onewhippedpuppy 06-10-2015 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 8661544)
  • Jesse Jackson
  • Al Sharpton
  • ...
This thread is proof that if you are looking for racism, you can always find it.

Rikao4 06-10-2015 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8660734)
Yes, there are black people, (and white, etc.), who are thugs and bad people. Why is America so afraid of regular blacks? I personally think that a lot of police in America are woefully unexposed to people different from themselves and while not viscous racists, they are afraid of blacks and view them through this fear and unfamiliarity. Same with many here. Not bad people, just very unworldly and afraid. :(
I'm sure the LEQ's are exposed to more than you think...
which could explain some of them developing a 'disdain' for some...

as for those regular folks you mentioned....
we seldom see them on TV now do we..
you know likes those MUESLI for peace...
and the ones that do dare show & speak...
they UNCLE TOM them to death accusing them of selling out to the man..

when I came here I rode in the back of the bus with them to HS...
as that is were they & foreigners were told be..
years have passed & we had progress..
I've saw such positive changes in America as years went ..

only to watch it all wash away..
with lots of help from their own..
O..
and the press...

Rika

manbridge 74 06-10-2015 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8661406)
True dat and all the more reason that if you know a cop has it in for you wouldn't you be ultra cooperative ? A rich white kid could spew off without retribution but they didn't
Rich white kid was arrested today in front of our business for threatening employee and cops when they showed up. And it's fairly white around here, so no.

This is about compliance and those that refuse to understand the concept. Or who have been told that cops are the bad guys and snitches get stitches etc. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes here. Gonna see it again and again as polite society unravels.

biosurfer1 06-10-2015 05:40 PM
What a sad country we live in:

Miami-Dade schools remove principal after his post about police controversy | Miami Herald Miami Herald

Apparently a principal didn't agree with the mob so he lost his job for stating his opinion that the officer did nothing wrong.

“He did nothing wrong, he was afraid for his life. I commend him for his actions.” In Miami, that statement online will get you fired.

Rick Lee 06-10-2015 06:16 PM
I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who feel the need to post personal opinions in an official capacity on social media. That Miami principal had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened in McKinney and he was inviting controversy by posting on the matter under his real name. If I did that and were a public figure or used my real name and it in any way, shape or form reflected bad on my employer, I'd be canned too.


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