First On Race Day.....FORD.

I'd do some serious research on that motor. If not mistaken, they have more problems than the 6.0. They are the reason that Ford drop-kicked International and started making their own diesel. They are really tempting because of occasional smoking deals but they do not have a good name. Horrible fuel mileage for a diesel as well. :(

What's your price range? Seriously, I would look at '06/'07 Silverados w/ Allison and Duramax. Best truck ever made and they hold their value like a pitbull on a chew toy.

Or Found On Road Dead. :p

I actually like some Fords but as one of my buddies once said, "all of the worst cars are 4-letter words...Fiat/Yugo/Saab/Audi/Ford/etc..." :D

Do your research Matt. Yes, they are more reliable than the 6.0, but when they break, and they do break, it will sting.
The local diesel shop ALWAYS, has at least one or two sitting in their shop with the freakin' cab off.
I wrench for a living, and I was still scared of the thing. The DPF clogs up , then takes out the Turbos. I have seen many trucks under 100k with the turbos out. Fuel dilution is a problem because of the regen process, and the diluted fuel causes excess cam , and lifter wear.
I bought my truck with issues and screwed it back together myself for a winter project.
This was a well cared for truck with 112,000 miles, no tuner, always serviced at ford. It was a company truck , They had 13 of them, and 6 had eaten motors in the last few years. The guy was getting rid of all his Fords . It needed both heads, ( cracked, ) the entire valve train, ( rockers, bridges , and pushrods) both turbos, the timing cover was eaten away , the dpf, and the cat were toast, etc.. The list goes on.
I had well over 7 k in parts in this thing, it was the biggest piece of **** I have ever unscrewed in my life . When they do have injector problems, there is no warning, and they take out the motor. They just dump fuel, and melt pistons. The regen process, dumps extra fuel into cylinders 7 and 8, and you always see them with cracked/melted pistons in those two cylinders .
These things just are not built well, and there is no way in hell I will ever own another one.
It was marginally faster than my duramax, but not by much. This would be my very last choice. I would buy a 6.0 ford, and stud it and delete it before I would own another 6.4. Even with the cab off, they are super hard to work on .

Yup. ^^^ Worst choice possible, unfortunately. :(

And speeder is right, fuel mileage was horrible. Best I ever saw was 13 . This was on a studded , deleted truck running an economy tune. 9-10 around town. My dmax dually does 18-19 empty at 65/70, and I got an honest 14.5 towing a tall 7k pound 5th wheel camper to Florida and back . Hand calculated.
Don't do that to yourself my man. Seriously, I have driven them all , and the D max is the nicest truck .

Ok, you guys suck what with your reality and stuff.:D. Denis I'd prefer to not spend over $30k, and I have a hard time spending $30k on a truck with over 100k. A 2011 with 100k still wholesales for about $35k in Lariat or King Ranch guise.

I like the Duramax trucks but the back seats are tiny. I most frequently use this thing with all five seats full. There's no reason why something so big should have compact car back seats.

i think my bro's is a 2005. the back seats are not that small. i dont remember being that cramped back there.

I'm also spoiled, the back seat on my F150 is HUGE. 5 adults can ride in that truck in extreme comfort.

I'm 6'3 and fit just fine in the backseat of my extended cab silverado. Not the most comfortable place in the world but it's not bad at all. How much space do you need?

To solve that problem, I just bought a quad cab. Im not daily driving the thing, it is for hauling trailers ,and road tripping/vacationing. My family, and lady love it . The back is cavernous . Super comfy, and roomy. Nicest road trip vehicle I have ever owned .
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1436237365.jpg

Mines a dually, but you get the idea. If you need more room than this, then you need a bus

Something better than "not the most comfortable place". We are typically towing the boat on trips with the seats full. Just this last weekend we spent 8 hours in the truck making two lake trips for the 4th. Be it adults or kids, having a spacious back seat is pretty important.

Fred, that looks bigger than many of the 2500s that I'm looking at. Did they have two different crew cab configurations?

Had a Ford 99 3/4 ton power stroke for a decade, it was reliable.
Trans was only a 4 speed auto, no tow mode or jake brake assist.

Switched to a 14 Ram 1 ton diesel cost new $40k.
tows a 24 foot car trailer like a sports car up and down hills.
Would cruise at 90 on the flats in the 3rd lane if safe and legal.
rated to 30k lbs towing.
Could be driven daily.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1436239052.jpg

My bros is s four door. I road tripped across Texas and was comfy.


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That's weird because I always thought that a Silverado crew cab was the same size as Ford's. Dodge is the one with the super-sized crew cab. My friend that I work with has that F-150 super Crew and I never thought it looked bigger than the Chevy cc it's always parked next to(?)

I will admit that we never use that back seat for people. I rode in the back once recently and it was fine. Don't you put your kids in the back? Is a couple inches of extra leg room worth ruling out the best truck?

good stuff but what's in the trailer??:)

thanks, these...
https://www.youtube.com/user/Mrpassmenow/videos

I am going to agree with Matt, the back seats in the 4 door F150's are freakishly roomy.

The Mega Cab on the Dodge is big, but for some annoying reason you can't get it with a full size bed.

I have had 4 adults on large road trips (hunting) and have not ever gotten any complaints in my 2012 350.

Bill

Denis, it's frequently adults back there for an extended period of time, so yeah it's a big deal.

Here's what I have:
http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/57458013.jpg

Here's the back seat of a 2008 Silverado 2500HD crew cab:
http://cimg.carsforsale.com/272287/2...24599D30_1.jpg

It is adequate, but not much more. I would compare the back seat area to a midsized sedan.

Ram mega cab biggest back seat.
Photo of a 2006 Mega cab.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1436275223.jpg

Then get a Ram Mega Cab or a Ford 6.7 and be done with it. You'll shell out some $$ but your money is safe. I'd still get a Chevy but all 3 are great once you get past the 6.4 Ford. That was the last awful diesel mill. :cool:

How did you get a dually 4x4 for that much!? The 3/4 ton single rear wheel I posted earlier was 39K!

I don't know about Ted's case, but there's a BIG gap between base model trucks and those that are loaded with options. A base model F250 is $10-15k cheaper than a King Ranch.

I don't even like the King Ranch. The Lariat is over-doing it for me. I like a nice XLT in the Ford line-up w/ cloth seats and all power accessories. :p

I like the King Ranch features but not the two tone interior. Backup camera and sensors are a must have in any full sized truck. The rest is take it or leave it, though A/C seats are pretty sweet.:)

I've noticed in my looking that there are a lot of trucks at the extremes. Plenty of F250 XL models painted in fleet white with vinyl floors, and plenty of super loaded Lariat and King Ranch. Not a lot of well equipped XLTs.

Firstly, all King Ranch and Platinum pickups are Lariats. That said, I hate the color schemes of the King Ranch and the Platinum exterior panels seem pretty dumb. The salesman told me the Platinum had a softer, more supple leather. Really? On a pickup?

Anyway, the Lariats are really nice. If you are using it for more than a job, it can be nice. Of course, the truck is almost as expensive as my wife's BMW. I did find the seat chiller! Really nice on a hot day in Texas!

It's a 2WD fabric, no nav, with $13k in drive train upgrades.
Was $48k, saved $4k factory rebate, saved $4k with Costco/AAA no hassle deal.

My buddy got the same truck with full leather and nav but with a gas Hemi for about the same.

It seems as though you can get a better deal on the dualllys some times. Not everybody wants to deal with the extra girth, and the two extra tires.
I found that the srw trucks carried somewhat of a premium in the sector I was shopping in.

Cooled seats!? I tried them once - felt like I wet my pants. Seriously. Very uncomfortable. I had instant flash backs to very early youth! :eek:

I agree with OWP - there isn't much between stripped down models and the loaded versions. The loaded trucks are just gaudy with all the fake chrome slathered on and over-sized bling wheels ... horrible!

G

Good price!

The 4x4, 2500, 4 door, long bed, cummins, 6 speed auto, with some sprinkled options came out to $40 basically. I guess thats a good price for a 4x4 but smaller capacity.

I don't love that the new 2500 Ram has coil rear...I like the leaf spring ride and reliability. I'm almost positive I'll be keeping the 1991.5 Cummins I have for a lot longer.

G, I completely agree about the cooled seats.

My Lariat is a King Ranch without the painted trim/bumpers and leather. Mine is still leather, I guess just not the fancy leather.

Fancy leather - haha. Cowboy up!

Cowboy Cadillac!

I personally love the A/C seats, I hate that sticky feeling that you get after sitting in leather seats on a hot, humid day. You SoCal guys with your 75 degree summers wouldn't understand.:p

Cloth bench. No sticky and your honey can scoot over.

I sure like my Ford supercab (1.5 doors on each side)Lariat edition with the power leather heated seats. I don't know at this point if I could go back to a standard cab, or if I need something as big as a Club/Crew Cab. It is a pain in the butt loading groceries with the suicide half doors. The newer trucks have a double hinge system on the half doors that allow them to open all the way up.

True with the Ram leather interior the truck is only a 5 seater.
The leather captain chairs with the permanent center console got in the way of legroom for me.
The leather seat foam was very firm, cloth seats were softer and could seat 6.
The leather looks great for sure...

Another gripe is the optional dash touch screen for all controls.
Most would rather have simple heat/air controls that don't require distracting inputs on a touch screen.

Now I do like that 8" touch screen. We have it in our 2014 Ecodiesel Grand Cherokee and its actually real intuitive. But for me to get that in a 2015 Ram means some serious option packages. I like my trucks most like work trucks for the most part because I'll always have a nice daily so I don't need too many bells and whistles in the truck. Doesn't matter since the old Cummins truck is staying! No payments for me!

i never realized this. 9500lbs versus 12000..that's a big difference.

Quick update, I ended up buying a 2013 F150 Supercrew 4x4 Ecoboost FX4 at auction that was delivered yesterday. It has every tow option including max tow, 3.73 gears, and the tow mirrors, so it has the maximum tow rating of close to 12,000 lbs. It also has the FX4 premium package so it's totally loaded with leather, heated/cooled seats, nav, moonroof, HIDs, etc. It may be a few weeks before I tow my boat again, but I'll post my feedback when I do. Great truck overall, though even my wife commented on it not "sounding like a truck". My answer was that I'll just go get a Raptor for another $10k, suddenly she was ok with the sound.;)

Here's the new one:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...psfautotva.jpg

And the old one is on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221863024872?forcerRptr=true&item=221863024872&vie witem=