How many guns is enough?
 

How many guns is enough?

I only have four, so my experience is limited. But his guy had over a thousand!

Mystery of dead man and his 1,200 guns deepens - LA Times

The mystery surrounding a dead man and his arsenal of firearms deepened Tuesday as officers continued removing roughly two tons of ammunition and expensive gun equipment from a Pacific Palisades home.


By noon Tuesday, investigators finished clearing out the last of the ammunition from his garage on Palisades Drive. Coroner’s investigators said the man has not been identified.

Wooden planks where officers organized thousands of dollars' worth of guns were empty, but piles of cardboard boxes filled with expensive rifle scopes worth $3,000 to $4,000 each and books on hunting, guns and shooting remained stacked in the packed garage.

The scene Tuesday was far different from what police discovered less than 24 hours ago.

Los Angeles police went to the man’s home Monday after finding his decomposing body in a car parked down the street from the home.

Inside the home, investigators found more than 1,200 firearms ranging from high-end pistols to shotguns and rifles. Many had never been fired. Some were still wrapped in their boxes, with the price tags still attached.

Along with the firearms, police discovered the mass storage of ammunition.

"Our truck couldn't carry it all," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said. "We had to go back and make another trip."

Police have determined there were no signs of foul play and are not investigating his death as a homicide, but are continuing to look into whether he legally owned the firearms.

Officers on Tuesday said there was no indication the man was a survivalist, but said his town house was so cluttered, it was impossible to walk inside without stepping on things.


"I heard they had to make a tunnel to get stuff out of the garage," said Sgt. David Craig of the LAPD's gang and narcotics division.

Investigators seized the ammunition and will run background checks on the firearms to determine whether they were used in any crimes.

"We don't think the weapons are illegal; we are taking them for public safety," Craig said, adding that it was a preemptive step to ensure the ammunition or guns wouldn't be stolen from the home.

A neighbor, who declined to identify herself, said she noticed the man’s car was parked in an alley for more than a day. It drew her attention, she said, because residents usually didn’t park their cars there.

Some people collect stamps.

What do you bet it doesn't make the news when they find nothing illegal.

I also bet his heirs won't get them back from LAPD without a fight.

I was typing "just one more" when I read the rest of the post...
Wonder how many he actually shot :(

He must have been a collector. Guns stored properly do not go down in value. That many guns are worth a lot. I hope the heirs get them all back and the ammo. They can sell them for some real coin.

isnt that the USA's most expensive neighborhood?

Why the hell are cops allowed to confiscate lawful personal property without a warrant? Someone needs to file a huge lawsuit.

^^ I'm with Rick.

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More Kalifornistan tomfoolery.

Dude should have cashed out after Sandyhook.

Why

It is strange that they clean out the guy's home in a very safe neighborhood, just because nobody is home. It isn't that the guns were laying in the yard, ready to be picked up. I hope a relative rips them a new one.

Of course people collect and hoard stuff. Amongst things they hoard, there may be guns! I have more respect for a hoarding gun nut than the crazy cat lady.

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Hoarding guns or cats...I still think you should shoot 'em :p

"For public safety". What an effing crock of schite. Thieves.

Hmmmm....I dunno. I'm going to make myself unpopular, but frankly, I can see the cops point. I don't think leaving 1200 guns and 2 tons of ammo in a home unattended is a good idea. It doesn't sound like they were in safes. His heirs should have every right to the guns, but I don't think leaving them in the house until it's established who the proper owner should be is a good idea.

HD, while that sounds reasonable, unless it happens in California or New Jersey.


I don't believe for a second that the rightful owners of those guns will ever see them again.

1200 firearms were discovered by police in a dead man's home. the 800 guns were removed by police and taken to a secure location.. the 600 guns found by police in a dead man home were cataloged and serial numbers recorded. police found no ammunition in the home where 400 guns were discovered in a dead man's home

As many as you want.....

^^^ THIS - haha!

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Sounds like someone who got a high from buying things.

Any upper middle class lady can get this done on clothing and shoes. Both in numbers and expenses. Except that she will toss them out to Goodwill every year. You don't do that with guns ...

I bet this guy wasn't married, so his clothing family budget was probably pretty low. :D

If any of the guns are left for the heirs, they'll be happy he didn't collect shoes. Most if not all of these guns, if properly stored, will have appreciated in value significantly since they were bought.

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Ref: Tabs. Shoes. Enough said. :-)

There are ladies who also do not want to get rid of it. Fill a house, fill storage, etc.

Thousands of Barbie dolls still in boxes with price stickers, etc.

To his credit, he may have a few guns in the closet to make up for the shoes ...

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Even with the story, the answer is always the same.

n+1

When his heirs inquired, it was revealed that there was merely a rumor of guns at the dead man's home...

....and the original report of 1200 guns means there were probably 1500 confiscated.

Sadly most of them will probably be destroyed because they don't comply with some BS ticky-tack CA de facto gun ban legislation ("drop tests" come to mind - in CA you're only allowed to have pistols that the state has accepted payola from.:. er... I mean performed "drop tests" on. It's for public safety of course (*cough* *cough*).

If they're "CA legal" guns they're probably not worth much anyway as those are usually watered-down / hobbled versions of regular firearms that you can buy when you leave CA and cross the border into America.

I think all those stupid CA gun specs have grandfather clauses. So, if those guns were acquired before the cut-off date, they're legal. If afterwards, then he probably bent some laws to get them in or into CA and thus they'd not be returned. In AZ the state is not allowed to destroy confiscated guns; they have to be sold or auctioned off to FFLs.

What are the chances that and grandfathered guns are actually treated as such?

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Hopefully, one of the heirs is a real bulldog lawyer or the Second Amendment Foundation gets involved. They love suing CA police agencies. They have an enlarged six figure check from LA framed in their office reception area.

Someone told me once "you should have 2 guns for every window in your house"

We had an old gun club member die a couple months ago and he had never married, had no children, etc, etc. When that happened, our club president (and long time FFL) was contacted by his best friend and immediately contacted the San Diego police to start the necessary paperwork so they would inventory the guns, hold the guns, do a database check to see if any were used in crimes and then in 30 days the FFL gets them to sell and any $$$$ goes to the estate. That is the way it is supposed to happen and our deceased member only had about 175 total of which several are Schuetzen single shots, several muzzle loaders and about 15 nice trap and skeet shot guns. In this case even the muzzle loaders get held although federal law says they are not a FFL item due to the death.

Unfortunately the taxpayers are the ones who foot the bill. And they never notice it, buried as they are under every other tax conceivable.

lol!!!

The roster of guns tested is for new guns. Used guns are excluded. And of course, if you are a LEO, you can get any gun you like, roster or not. It is bad here with gun laws but it isn't crazy, where you are stuck with a gun that's not on the roster.

George

Buy low, sell high.

Or more guns than your neighbour :eek:

Spoon prices are continuing to rise...from what I see people would rather have the asset than the cash.

Only the Assault spoons thingy went bubble and then bust...

Buy low, sell high....and I did

This made me chuckle
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...ys/elklaff.gif

Lets just figure this one out...a pair of John Lobb shoes is $1795.00, where and when I can get them I pay $20 or less....that means that an item of apparel depreciates almost to nothing as soon as you put it on and wear it.

However if you are persistent you too can find TWO $6000.00 each Brioni suits for $30 each (one place at one time). Both in good colours, style and immaculate condition. So which would U rather pay $30 or $6000, you look the same either way. U look like you are worth a mint.*

Like my Mother has always told me, "Tabs you have champagne tastes and a beer pocket book." To which I now rejoinder her with a smirk on my face, "Yeah, but how I work it I get to where scottish cashmere for less than a Wallmart polyester price."


*This is exactly what happened to a friend who is of a more normal size than I am.
In my estimation Brioni is as good as it gets, with the possible exception of Saville Row Tailoring.