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EMJ 08-11-2015 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VaSteve (Post 8749237)
I'm curious of your facts to back this up. Almendinger got pulled from the race with like 4 hours to go and they had to find a sub. Crew guys use but seem to get pulled all the time for "Road to Recovery". Here's one that just finished the program, do you have more data?

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Not sure I understand your post but I took the 2 seconds to Google it for you. Almendingling got busted for meth and was suspended indefinitely. Exactly 3 years ago....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/from-the-marbles/aj-allmendinger-indefinitely-suspended-nascar-b-sample-test-010124910--nascar.html

A930Rocket 08-11-2015 04:39 PM

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Ferraripete 08-11-2015 04:44 PM

when I have time...I will write more and fill many of you in on the nascar machine and all the concern of the loss of shr...the politics;(

I personally hope the ward family gets their pound of flesh.

john70t 08-11-2015 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8748797)
He probably had some bacon fat and orange juice in him as well, about the same relevance to how he died.

He died because he walked onto a freeway at night wearing a ninja suit.

As it turned out, he wasn't THE ONE (Neo).

AFC-911 08-11-2015 04:59 PM

Pretty sure walking onto a hot track is the reason he's dead.

speeder 08-11-2015 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AFC-911 (Post 8749280)
Pretty sure walking onto a hot track is the reason he's dead.

Exactly. Not because he had THC in his system, which stays there forever, btw.

And no, I don't smoke weed. But some here seem to have just watched the 1947 film, "Reefer Madness" and think it turned him into a track-walking zombie. :cool:

EMJ 08-11-2015 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8749287)
Exactly. Not because he had THC in his system, which stays there forever, btw.

And no, I don't smoke weed. But some here seem to have just watched the 1947 film, "Reefer Madness" and think it turned him into a track-walking zombie. :cool:

Lol!!!!!

john70t 08-11-2015 05:24 PM

In TS's (limited) defense:
Today I drove a side road at speed towards the western afternoon sun.
Blinding light, shaded areas, blinding light, shaded areas, blinding light. Repeat.

A deer/person standing in the middle of that road would not have been seen until it was too late.

URY914 08-11-2015 05:38 PM

I just read this entire thread and EMJ has some serious issues. Don't let the facts get in your way there Bucko. :rolleyes:

speeder 08-11-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 8749305)
In TS's (limited) defense:
Today I drove a side road at speed towards the western afternoon sun.
Blinding light, shaded areas, blinding light, shaded areas, blinding light. Repeat.

A deer/person standing in the middle of that road would not have been seen until it was too late.

Then you really should have slowed down. Just sayin'. :cool:

EMJ 08-11-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 8749319)
I just read this entire thread and EMJ has some serious issues. Don't let the facts get in your way there Bucko. :rolleyes:

Really? Care to elaborate? I can assure you I have no "issues." Fan boys just get blinded by love. Who can really prove what Stewart's intention was? Of course he didn't mean to kill the kid but to argue that Stewie isn't capable of trying to scare the kid shows just how foolish people are. Anyone who has followed his career knows that's exactly what he would do in that situation. And this is the known speculation that will probably be used in the civil suit. Not a whole lot of intelligence quotient needed, really.

Throughout the garage and to us mere fans, Stewart is a known bully and first class jerk who just happens to be a great driver. Sorry, the rest of us aren't privy to cozy steak cookouts with the guy to get to know how "nice" he is.

And who are you, Richie Cunningham of Happy Days? I haven't heard anyone called "Bucko" in 30 years. I think you might want to time warp from 1979.

VINMAN 08-11-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8749333)
Fan boys just get blinded by love..

The same way others get blinded by hatred? :confused:


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EMJ 08-11-2015 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 8749362)
The same way others get blinded by hatred? :confused:


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Very dramatic, we'll put you in the fan boy camp. And a nice stretch - I never said I hate the guy but he comes off as a very not nice and very angry guy. I don't worship people, even if they're famous, who treat others badly and are bullies. Might be your thing, not mine. Dale, Jr, Jeff Gordon, Matt Kenseth - all classy dudes. More my speed.

Least favorite Driver: Hamlin - big cry baby whiner. Was Kurt Busch until I realized he's a basket case with serious mental issues.

speeder 08-11-2015 06:49 PM

I'm glad we got that settled.

URY914 08-11-2015 07:09 PM

EMJ, what is your problem? Did TS kick your dog? Piss on your tire?
Give it a rest.....

john70t 08-11-2015 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8749327)
Then you really should have slowed down. Just sayin'. :cool:

You're correct.
Thank you.
No excuse except the mental pressure of 4 o'clock traffic behind.

I crested one hill at 40mph while in conversation and a couple of college girls popped up in the weeds on the right, only a feet feet from the road and trying to cross the street. These heartstoppers don't make my day.

gordner 08-11-2015 07:21 PM

Seems very unlikely that is the case given the amount of scrutiny the video went through to come to the conclusion that is not what occurred, and from what I have read it is an opinion not shared by the professional drivers that witnessed the event.
Tony may be a hot head but Ward was clearly the dumbest guy on that track that night.
And if he smoked with any regularity, MJ even as close as two hours before would have contributed very little to his stupidity, it seems he was the real hot head out there disregarding his own safety and that of the other racers by running around on an active race track in the dark.

EMJ 08-11-2015 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 8749466)
EMJ, what is your problem? Did TS kick your dog? Piss on your tire?
Give it a rest.....

No, Ury, he was involved in a horrible fatal accident on the track and continues to act recklessly on the track after the fact, showing me he didn't really learn anything, and is still endangering other drivers. Anger and hotheadedness aren't a good combination going 200mph with 42 other drivers. Sometimes you gotta hang it up. Why are you struggling to understand this?

Prior to the fatal accident Stewart was for at least two years repeatedly calling out drivers in post race interviews with threats to wreck them if they got in his way. This was occurring almost weekly right up until the accident. Anyone who follows NASCAR knows this.

EMJ 08-11-2015 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gordner (Post 8749483)
Seems very unlikely that is the case given the amount of scrutiny the video went through to come to the conclusion that is not what occurred, and from what I have read it is an opinion not shared by the professional drivers that witnessed the event.
Tony may be a hot head but Ward was clearly the dumbest guy on that track that night.
And if he smoked with any regularity, MJ even as close as two hours before would have contributed very little to his stupidity, it seems he was the real hot head out there disregarding his own safety and that of the other racers by running around on an active race track in the dark.

Agree 100%.

herr_oberst 08-11-2015 07:54 PM

When it comes to Tony Stewart, the story ends with EMJ puttin' him in the wall.

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VaSteve 08-11-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8749250)
Not sure I understand your post but I took the 2 seconds to Google it for you. Almendingling got busted for meth and was suspended indefinitely. Exactly 3 years ago....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/from-the-marbles/aj-allmendinger-indefinitely-suspended-nascar-b-sample-test-010124910--nascar.html

Uhhhhh.l.it was adderall. And he's been back.

NASCAR Watkins Glen 2015 qualifying results: A.J. Allmendinger wins 2nd road course pole of season - SBNation.com

GH85Carrera 08-11-2015 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 8749319)
I just read this entire thread and EMJ has some serious issues. Don't let the facts get in your way there Bucko. :rolleyes:

I really think he has transcended into a troll.

His hatred for TS is off the charts.

I could not possibly care less about Stewart or NASCAR. One dumb ass hot head proved Darwin's theory with another hot head to help him out.

Starve the trolls. I am not going to respond to him again.

EMJ 08-11-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VaSteve (Post 8749553)

Are you really debating this? Try and keep up. He was reinstated I believe back in 2012, in record time, after completing the reinstatement program. Even won a road course race last year - Watkins Glenn I believe. And for your edification, his drug pop was for meth. "Adderall" is a main ingredient used to make meth and was also Mayfield's supposed claim... But the 'Dinger was busted for meth:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/from-the-marbles/aj-allmendinger-indefinitely-suspended-nascar-b-sample-test-010124910--nascar.html

EMJ 08-11-2015 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 8749557)
I really think he has transcended into a troll.

His hatred for TS is off the charts.

I could not possibly care less about Stewart or NASCAR. One dumb ass hot head proved Darwin's theory with another hot head to help him out.

Starve the trolls. I am not going to respond to him again.

Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out. I could care less for Stewart. Or NASCAR. And why are you replying? You add nothing to the discussion - either of you, except for being drama queens and bringing up bad 40-year-old sitcom references. When you bring the word "hatred" into a silly thread like this you're trolls. Why don't you find someone worth defending and stop trying to control people's opinions. We could be having this same discussion about Barry Bonds, Kobe Bryant, or Tiger Woods. I don't like them either - all class A jerks that are star athletes.

Racerbvd 08-11-2015 08:27 PM

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Prior to the fatal accident Stewart was for at least two years repeatedly calling out drivers in post race interviews with threats to wreck them if they got in his way. This was occurring almost weekly right up until the accident. Anyone who follows NASCAR knows this.

All part part of the WWF of Motorsports show, just part of the program. I'm sure Pete can elaborate more if he chooses too. Wednesday phone calls to the race shops...

Heel n Toe 08-11-2015 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VaSteve (Post 8749085)
EMJ has some kind of axe to grind with Tony Stewart, not sure why....

He does... it's obvious. He (and a couple of others) tried to sell their armchair psychoanalysis of what was in TS's head and what happened in that long thread last year.

No amount of solid, well-presented analyses of the video was enough to make him/them reconsider their position, either... like this article from that other thread: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/824701-tony-stewart-not-good-26.html#post8279349

The marijuana blood test confirmation was discussed in that thread, too.

EMJ 08-12-2015 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 8749659)
He does... it's obvious. He (and a couple of others) tried to sell their armchair psychoanalysis of what was in TS's head and what happened in that long thread last year.

No amount of solid, well-presented analyses of the video was enough to make him/them reconsider their position, either... like this article from that other thread: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/824701-tony-stewart-not-good-26.html#post8279349

The marijuana blood test confirmation was discussed in that thread, too.

You didn't make one salient point last year, Heel, and you haven't made one now. Stewart is a jerk, IMO. I have no "axe to grind." That's ridiculous. What happened to him in that accident is terrible. You'd think he'd learn some humility and not continue to be rageful on the track, especially after the accident. Not a hard concept to follow at all...

URY914 08-12-2015 03:17 AM

I had to post something just so EMJ won't get the last word in this thread.SmileWavy

EMJ 08-12-2015 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 8749700)
I had to post something just so EMJ won't get the last word in this thread.SmileWavy

Bye, bye Fonzie...

URY914 08-12-2015 05:29 AM

You been waiting up all night for someone to post weren't you? OK, now grab your blanket and go get some sleep. TS will be over to tuck you in. :p

yellowperil 08-12-2015 07:33 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1439389960.jpg

Tony sayin' "Hi, How are ya"

Rot 911 08-12-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8749560)
"Adderall" is a main ingredient used to make meth

I really don't have a dog in this fight, just wanted to point out that you are incorrect in this assumption. I'd get into the specifics, but it is easy enough to google.

EMJ 08-12-2015 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rot 911 (Post 8750050)
I really don't have a dog in this fight, just wanted to point out that you are incorrect in this assumption. I'd get into the specifics, but it is easy enough to google.

You're right, Kurt. I believe the argument is that those that pop for meth make the Aderrall claim since both have similar test results or something, and of course, they'd want to claim the lessor of two "evils."

javadog 08-12-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8749250)
Almendingling got busted for meth

No, he didn't. Amphetamine, not methamphetmine. Not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8750076)
I believe the argument is that those that pop for meth make the Aderrall claim since both have similar test results or something, and of course, they'd want to claim the lessor of two "evils."

Anybody that has any knowledge of the drug policy in NASCAR knows that they test for a large number of very specific things. They can easily tell the difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine and to claim that Adderall was the culprit causing a positive result for methamphetamine would be fairly ignorant, and short-lived. At the time, Allmendinger made no claim about Adderall. That came much later.

JR

EMJ 08-12-2015 09:52 AM

Yes, that's correct. Got it wrong last night. I recall the initial reporting of the issue was rumored to be meth and it stuck in my mind. The amphetamines discovery was reported later. And really, anyone in any corporate gig, which NASCAR is, knows that employees are tested for a variety of banned substances, especially the drivers. And really, you have to mention that methamphetamines and amphetamines aren't the same thing? That's funny.

And no, I'm not up on all of the NASCAR drug policy details. Why would I be, or care?


NASCAR's AJ Allmendinger tested positive for amphetamines

javadog 08-12-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 8750175)
And no, I'm not up on all of the NASCAR drug policy details. Why would I be, or care?

It's not important that you be well versed in it. You do seem to have a more than passing knowledge of NASCAR and it would be hard to have escaped a decent understanding of what transpired, as it got huge coverage for a long time, even extending into the mainstream media coverage.

The point is that you continue to make claims that can't be supported by the facts and some of us find it hard to understand that you keep going off half-cocked.

We get that you aren't a fan of Stewart. Just leave the bull**** at the door.

JR

EMJ 08-12-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8750184)
It's not important that you be well versed in it. You do seem to have a more than passing knowledge of NASCAR and it would be hard to have escaped a decent understanding of what transpired, as it got huge coverage for a long time, even extending into the mainstream media coverage.

The point is that you continue to make claims that can't be supported by the facts and some of us find it hard to understand that you keep going off half-cocked.

We get that you aren't a fan of Stewart. Just leave the bull**** at the door.

JR

Really? I was well versed on the Almendinger issue three years ago when it happened. Do you think I'm stopping what I'm doing to do a bunch of research to post on a stupid thread like this? What's all of this "half cocked" crap? I have to be fully "cocked" to discuss this with you? I'll tell you what I tell my VP's when I see them struggling with leadership issues: be direct. Don't be passive aggressive. You have something to say, say it. Don't hint or beat around the bush with our people.

You don't like my view on Stewart - say it. Don't be around the bush with this stickler nonsense. My point is clear from my first post. All of this other stuff is noise. I botched the meth stuff with the Dinger - so what? Big deal. You don't like my bull*****, don't read my posts. I've been going to Nascar races since the 80's. I don't need to justify anything to your standards. For someone with no dog in the fight, you've gone from ass deep to neck deep.

GH85Carrera 08-12-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8750184)
It's not important that you be well versed in it. You do seem to have a more than passing knowledge of NASCAR and it would be hard to have escaped a decent understanding of what transpired, as it got huge coverage for a long time, even extending into the mainstream media coverage.

The point is that you continue to make claims that can't be supported by the facts and some of us find it hard to understand that you keep going off half-cocked.

We get that you aren't a fan of Stewart. Just leave the bull**** at the door.

JR

You are feeding the troll.

Only way to stop a troll is to ignore them.

EMJ 08-12-2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 8750341)
You are feeding the troll.

Only way to stop a troll is to ignore them.

Yet here you are posting again. You should take your own advice, but you just can't stay away. SmileWavy

Here's your guy dressing down a reporter simply doing his job. A real ray of sunshine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Skr7SJRnY

Steve Carlton 08-12-2015 12:19 PM

I don't see a troll aspect to EMJ's posts. Labeling him as one is bull**** and inflammatory.


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