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Crowbob 10-01-2015 07:27 PM
^^^^^^^^^ Sounds reasonable.

lowyder993s 10-01-2015 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 8818528)
gogar for a rock star you sure do have your head on straight. Good stuff man.
this

KFC911 10-01-2015 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8818430)
I know I say it every time, and it's only my opinion, and I'm doing a disservice to the millions of people who have been helped, but

Watch and wait until tomorrow when we learn of the shooter's history with SSRI drugs.

Condolences to everyone affected by this tragedy.
+1....first thing that pops in my mind EVERY time one of these events occur.

It's drug roulette pure and simple...

lowyder993s 10-01-2015 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by aap1966 (Post 8818787)

Your opinion is wrong.
Not trying to be a douche, but you are in the field, right? I don't recall in all the yrs here having remembered you being associated w/ the med. community.

That is JUST ME. NOT THROWING STONES...Thx for the input and carry on...

M.D. Holloway 10-01-2015 08:26 PM
My Son shoots for his HS clay target team. Had a meeting tonight - lasted over 2 hours. Safety and responsibility are the most important aspects of the training. The other theme that has prevailed over the past several years is that the team is a family. All kids will shoot and it is the culture for the upperclassmen to take the young ones under their wing and shepherd them. I can only imagine if this team was like the football team or the basketball team where hazing seems the norm, how a young kid could go off. The kids have a code of conduct to adhere to including no selfies with a gun. There is a long list - that one seemed to stand out in my head.

This team took second at state and 4th nationally. They never talk about winning, they talk about the team. I wonder if POTUS would let his daughters shoot on the team?

Eric Coffey 10-01-2015 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 8818810)
+1....first thing that pops in my mind EVERY time one of these events occur.

It's drug roulette pure and simple...
One of his online screen-names was "Lithium_Love"

M.D. Holloway 10-01-2015 08:41 PM
The kid had mental issues - medicated or not. The failure rests with the medical system not the guns he shot.

stomachmonkey 10-01-2015 08:52 PM
Nutter.

Umpqua Gunman Chris Harper-Mercer Hated Religion Online - The Daily Beast

jyl 10-01-2015 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8818875)
The kid had mental issues - medicated or not. The failure rests with the medical system not the guns he shot.
Doctors and medicines cannot cure everyone. Mental illness is particularly difficult to treat, the conditions and their mechanisms are not well understood. Given our current state of medical knowledge, you have to assume that a large percentage of people with mental illnesses will not be successfully treated. Even when the "medical system" does everything "right".

It also isn't clear yet if he was indeed diagnosed or treated for mental illness, or if it rose to a level that should have prevented him from having guns.

Even if it did, the current gun control system does not do a particularly good job of preventing gun purchases by persons with mental illness, or with criminal history for that matter. That's been repeatedly demonstrated. Every couple of months, in fact.

Bob Kontak 10-01-2015 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8818875)
The failure rests with the medical system not the guns he shot.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I guess I am really getting old but the problem lies with the internet, X-Box and cell phones. Any shiny bauble to seduce kids into sitting on their asses all farking day and purchasing Monster Energy products. Hey, it gives the folks space, right?

WTF happened to 12 year old's, without their folk's help, rounding up 10 kids to play a sandlot game for six hours? Today, how many killer BB hoops are erected in six figure income hoods where there is no activity? Squillions.

Also, don't foster blowing cooties out through physical activity, just nuke them with Adderall and Citalopram.

That's my opinion.

(Granted the kid was out there)

intakexhaust 10-01-2015 09:52 PM
Facts are, higher population adjust accordingly with number of those with mental illness. So one time Small Town, USA of 5,000 with maybe 20 mental cases now a population of 50,000 will have 200 to worry of. That 200 is far more alarming than the few of years ago.

Next, the shootings and murders by the mental ill are a VERY small percentage compared to gang and typical perpetrator motives. Look at Chicago this last Sept. of 60 murdered. Most are from gang related.

tevake 10-01-2015 09:54 PM
Quote JYL

Even if it did, the current gun control system does not do a particularly good job of preventing gun purchases by persons with mental illness, or with criminal history for that matter. That's been repeatedly demonstrated. Every couple of months, in fact.[/QUOTE]

Above is the sort of gun control I'd like to see stepped up. A more through check on folks wanting to buy weapons. To try to filter out folks with personal / legal history's making it high risk for them to be armed. This at ALL POINTS OF PURCHASE!
I know there are folks who feel that any more intrusion in the process of purchase is a violation of their constitutional rights. But more effort at keeping weapons out of the hands wackos like this is needed.

Blast away.
Richard

aap1966 10-01-2015 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lowyder993s (Post 8818811)
Not trying to be a douche, but you are in the field, right? I don't recall in all the yrs here having remembered you being associated w/ the med. community.

That is JUST ME. NOT THROWING STONES...Thx for the input and carry on...
Not a douche-like question. Always valid to check the bona-fides of others.

21 years Intensive Care (General, Cardiothoracic Surgical and general cardiac), with quite a bit of general "Hospitalist" work mixed in.
(4 years of residency rotations before that, but that remains a blur of night duty, unpaid overtime and caffeine)

Cheers

wdfifteen 10-01-2015 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8818430)
I know I say it every time, and it's only my opinion, and I'm doing a disservice to the millions of people who have been helped, but

Watch and wait until tomorrow when we learn of the shooter's history with SSRI drugs.
I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you predicting we'll learn of a history of depression being treated with SSRIs? The guy is clearly mentally disturbed, so that's not much of a stretch.

berettafan 10-02-2015 02:07 AM
agree with the comment on video games, etc.

Quite the cocktail of drugs and violence brewing in homes everywhere. First they fantasize about daily for hours on end, then they do it for real. There should be no shock here.

IMR-Merlin 10-02-2015 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 8818758)
Early facts are not trending in your favor . . .
You want to eat these words yet?

KFC911 10-02-2015 03:28 AM
[QUOTE=aap1966;8818787]
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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8818430)
I know I say it every time, and it's only my opinion, ...............but........Watch and wait until tomorrow when we learn of the shooter's history with SSRI drugs.
QUOTE]

Your opinion is wrong.

Sometimes, in severe depression / mental illness, you are so unmotivated / disorganised that doing anything is hard.
As the mental pathology is treated, this apathy / disorganisation can begin to lift BEFORE the mental pathology entirely resolves. The suicidal patient who was so amotivational that they couldn't be bothered to take action now regains some motivation before their depression lifts. This is the danger window when the risk of suicide paradoxically increases as the patient begins to improve. The risk of dangerous behaviour is actually a marker of efficacy of treatment.

Also, SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) are now very commonly prescribed for a range of mental illnesses. This is not because doctors are getting kick-backs :rolleyes:, or because the SSRI drug reps are the prettiest :rolleyes::rolleyes: it's because the stuff works.
Does it work for everyone?
No.
Does ANY drug in existence for ANYTHING work for everyone?
No.
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 8818810)
+1....first thing that pops in my mind EVERY time one of these events occur.

It's drug roulette pure and simple...
Quote:
Originally Posted by aap1966 (Post 8818965)
Not a douche-like question. Always valid to check the bona-fides of others.

21 years Intensive Care (General, Cardiothoracic Surgical and general cardiac), with quite a bit of general "Hospitalist" work mixed in.
(4 years of residency rotations before that, but that remains a blur of night duty, unpaid overtime and caffeine)

Cheers
I appreciate you background and clinical explanation, but that still doesn't make the "roulette" part of the equation invalid imo....YMMV.

One thing I learned a LONG time ago....(when in my field, communications protocols were being debated by PHD's with WAY more experience/knowledge than I).....sometimes they just turn out to be wrong ;)

This Internet thingy is proof....it's based upon pretty simple protocols that some "experts" dismissed 25 years ago....

jyl 10-02-2015 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by IMR-Merlin (Post 8819022)
You want to eat these words yet?
Your theory is

"I will speculate that this was a deliberate attack on a college where a US service member attended as retribution for the foiling of the train shooter in France a couple months ago... probably not white and most likely a Muslim."

What facts have come out that support this theory?

cashflyer 10-02-2015 05:48 AM
The guy has/had a dating profile on Spiritual Passions.
His user name was Ironcross45.

This is probably where the report of "mixed race" comes from, however the captures at archive.com shows that the dating profile was changed several times - after he was dead. Allegedly the ethnicity and the political views, among other items, were changed.
BREAKING: Internet Trolls Altered Chris Harper Mercer's Online Profile Today - Now Says He's "Conservative"


From the NYT:
Mercer was a withdrawn young man who neighbors said wore the same outfit every day — combat boots, green Army pants and a white T-shirt — and was close to his mother, who fiercely protected him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/chris-harper-mercer-umpqua-community-college-shooting.html


I will speculate that he was a 'mommas boy' who was always sheltered from every aspect of life, a social cripple who was isolated from friendships and normal human interaction, and who lashed out to get the attention that he had been deprived of by being raised as a recluse. That, or he's just batschit crazy.

Baz 10-02-2015 06:01 AM
Neighbors of where he lived with his Mom said after news of the shooting broke - his mother was balling her eyes out.

Also, the father was located and said a few words to the media and he had an English accent....but could have also been Irish...hard to tell with just a few sentences he uttered....


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