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puddy 10-29-2015 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 8841009)
Well, looks like you're just going to have to learn it yourself Bob....

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There only a couple songs that give me goose bumps when I hear them starting. Can't you hear me knocking is one.

javadog 10-29-2015 05:00 PM
Amen. It doesn't get any better than that.

That guy's got some talent.

JR

Nostril Cheese 10-29-2015 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 8841009)
Well, looks like you're just going to have to learn it yourself Bob....

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Oh man, that sounds so good. Lot of people don't understand that you gotta let it breathe. A good Tele always helps too.

Hopefully, mine sounds something like that one.

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Cajundaddy 10-29-2015 07:04 PM
A great tune with that intoxicating AC/DC groove they were famous for. Classic layering of tracks as it builds up. There are only 2 guitarists in the band but at one point they have 5-6 guitar tracks layered in for a massive sound. I think Mutt Lange produced that album and it was a winner.

Funny, I didn't care for these guys when they first came out in the late 70s. I couldn't stand their vocals and thought the lyrics were crude. I missed out because they have grown on me over the years and there are a dozen AC/DC hits that are sure-thing cover songs even today.

bkreigsr 10-31-2015 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8840566)
...That sound is lots of times called "Doubling" where the two guitars on the 'outside' (one in each speaker) play together to give a super wide sounding guitar sound.
see also -
Reelin in the Years - Steely Dan?
Hotel California (last 24 bars)?


Bill K

Bob Kontak 11-11-2015 06:24 PM
Playa76911S asked Wayne what he paid for his 917 when he was looking to buy a fab car Laser GT.

So........WTF?......Like,..how long will it take me at 59, with no musical background, and not much free time, to get as good as Angus/Malcolm?

Is it a Youtube video watching thing in spare time with a couple weeks of practice or is there more?

:D

Bob Kontak 11-11-2015 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 8856710)
A great tune with that intoxicating AC/DC groove they were famous for.
I listen to it daily. This song is special.

Best song intro ever, for this layman, is "Stay With Me". Gotta be some Ronnie Wood input.

Charles Freeborn 11-11-2015 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8840566)
The second guitar, I guess you could call it the rhythm guitar, starts in the left speaker at 50 seconds.

The bass is slowly fading in from about :38 but he's all in at :50 when the 2nd guitar comes in.

There's at least 4 or 5 distinct guitar parts in the song, the third starts at 1:34

The huge "AC/DC" sound like the sound at 2:28 and more importantly 2:43 you hear is when the 1st, 2nd, sometimes 3rd, 4th etc. guitar parts all play the same stuff together to make it sound super huge.

That sound is lots of times called "Doubling" where the two guitars on the 'outside' (one in each speaker) play together to give a super wide sounding guitar sound.

The sound at 3:13 (not the solo, the other sound) is probably the most clear example of "doubling." Fun!


SmileWavy
Pretty much all said. Intro guitar is centered, then pans right when second comes in. 3rd is complimentary rhythm track, then converging as "doubling" at various points. ACDC never did much for me on an artistic / lyric / storytelling level, but Angus is a beast and the post production / mixing is top drawer.
For pure guitar virtuosity not many get even close to Jeff Beck.
Here's an alternate version of thunderstruck, just for fun: http://youtu.be/e4Ao-iNPPUc

Oh , then there's Joe Satriani. ... http://youtu.be/CgUwD9e8uNM The solo section from 5:00 to 5:55 or so span so many technical boundaries it hard to count them all.

Sorry I can't embed YouTube - on my phone & the newest app version is a hot mess.

Bob Kontak 11-12-2015 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles Freeborn (Post 8874184)
Oh , then there's Joe Satriani. ... http://youtu.be/CgUwD9e8uNM The solo section from 5:00 to 5:55 or so span so many technical boundaries it hard to count them all. .
Pulled link up and pal who hangs out with me at the shop in the evenings says "I saw him play at the Cleveland Palace" Awesome.

Then he says after vid "Load in Boogie with Stu?"

Sweet!

Intro guitar is right speaker only.

911dean 11-12-2015 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8840554)
Want to understand what the guitar differences are.

Is the first guitar the rhythm guitar? At 50 seconds in another guitar compliments the first and the range of the sound expands to where the result is intoxicating. Is it the second guitar that opens the sound or is it a function of a slide bar on a mixing board, or both? Been wrestling with my daughter about what makes the sound at 50 seconds in. She says it is a less complex but complimentary guitar sound (melody?) and she is guessing it may be a bass guitar.

At 1:35, another guitar plays a more routine rock riff.

Can someone briefly note what happens in layman's terms?

Five guys. One singer and a drummer. That leaves three guitars. I hear no deep bass riff but plenty of bass drum thumping. I guess there are no rules, and this is a work of art. Is there a standard protocol that is followed? Like a math equation? Forgive me, just intrigued why this song is so wonderful to listen to.

Wish I could hear it without voices.

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Great post. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 8841009)
Well, looks like you're just going to have to learn it yourself Bob....

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Thanks for reminding me why I love my Stone's records so much!

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8874054)
Playa76911S asked Wayne what he paid for his 917 when he was looking to buy a fab car Laser GT.

So........WTF?......Like,..how long will it take me at 59, with no musical background, and not much free time, to get as good as Angus/Malcolm?

Is it a Youtube video watching thing in spare time with a couple weeks of practice or is there more?

:D
Getting as good as Angus or Malcom not likely. Becoming a decent guitarist is possible. There are guys/gals that do it when they're older.

Personally, I'm struggling at age 48, literally a week from 49. It's much harder than it seems and takes a real commitment. Something I've always struggled with. I plan on making some real gains in the next year. It's something I'd really like to accomplish.

Rick Lee 11-12-2015 07:35 PM
It's never been easier to learn guitar. I mean, it really doesn't get any easier than it is now. When I started around 1984, there was no online TAB, no Youtube demos and very few TAB books. You ran to the pharmacy each month to see which songs the latest guitar mag. had TAB'ed out and they were usually pretty sloppy. Sometimes you could buy instructional audio or video tapes from ads in the back of the mags (wait 6-8 wks. for delivery). For me it was "play, pause, rewind, play, pause" for hours upon hours every day after school and all day on weekends.

Nowadays you can go to songsterr.com and find any song in the world TAB'ed out with a follow-along play options. You can find lessons on Youtube with slow motion and TAB running along the bottom of the screen. You can find a live concert video of any guitar here, taken on an iPhone, that shows every trick in the book. These days it's nothing more than a will to learn and practice. The tools are all just a click away and they're free.

dsfnctn 11-12-2015 08:28 PM
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA50zteAbeA

Charles Freeborn 11-12-2015 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8875441)
Pulled link up and pal who hangs out with me at the shop in the evenings says "I saw him play at the Cleveland Palace" Awesome.

Then he says after vid "Load in Boogie with Stu?"

Sweet!

Intro guitar is right speaker only.
I never met him, despite living in SF area and being rater involved with the music scene... but from multiple sources he's a true gentleman as well as phenom guitarist.

As for pan right left or center, who cares? It's rock 'n roll.

As for getting good, the rule of thumb is 10k hours gets you proficient at most things. Exceptional is another thing.... or as the jazz guys say - the first 20 years are the hardest.

BTW I've done my time in the trenches :: Freeborn Guitars :: . After 30+ years running power tools I don't do much electric music. The acoustic equivalent of shredding is best done by my pal Woody Mann:
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Bob Kontak 11-13-2015 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles Freeborn (Post 8875703)
As for pan right left or center, who cares? It's rock 'n roll.
Keep in mind, I have been listening to this song for weeks. For me, it's why does it sound so intoxicating when the rhythm guitar kicks in at 51 seconds. Aside from how they compliment each other, it has to be how it was produced, like you mentioned, with terrific stereo separation. I do pick up some movement right towards left later in the song but that is just with the lead riff. It's gets pretty busy.

Nice vid on the acoustic guitar by your pal.

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Originally Posted by 911dean (Post 8875637)
Getting as good as Angus or Malcom not likely.
Now that is diplomacy.:)

I do still have that Strat I bought my daughter...............

Don't know if I will make a choice to find the 10k hours Charles mentions, but with 100 hours invested, bet I would appreciate music more.

craigster59 11-13-2015 07:47 AM
Just sit on the couch unplugged and practice while you watch TV. Learn D, A and G. Now you can play "Ball and Chain" by Social D. and "Dead flowers" by The Stones and a bunch of other songs. Then branch out from there.

GH85Carrera 11-13-2015 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dsfnctn (Post 8875690)
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I am another AC/DC fan. I can play music on my computer and iPhone and even in my car. That is the extent of my musical ability.

If I watched that performance in a TV show or movie I would figure it is just Hollywood BS. How in the world can a guy play the guitar like that and only use one hand? I had no idea it was even possible.

Charles Freeborn 11-18-2015 01:18 PM
This popped up on my Facebook feed from my pal Jennifer. She's playing through an Organ Patch that makes her guitar sound like, well,,, an organ... Boy howdy Jeff's got some chops...
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sammyg2 11-18-2015 04:35 PM
wiki:

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Angus Young stated in the liner notes of the 2003 re-release of The Razors Edge:
"It started off from a little trick I had on guitar. I played it to Mal and he said 'Oh, I've got a good rhythm idea that will sit well in the back.' We built the song up from that.
We fiddled about with it for a few months before everything fell into place.
Lyrically, it was really just a case of finding a good title ... We came up with this thunder thing and it seemed to have a good ring to it. AC/DC = Power. That's the basic idea."[3]

Bob Kontak 11-18-2015 05:07 PM
"It started off from a little trick I had on guitar. I played it to Mal and he said 'Oh, I've got a good rhythm idea that will sit well in the back.' We built the song up from that.

Yes! Did not see this on Wiki but another site that said about the same. That rhythm IS the tune.

When movies want to use the song, $500k...and they pay it.

GH85Carrera 11-19-2015 04:42 AM
The local MBA team AKA "the Thunder" got permission to use Thunderstruck for the first home game. I am sure they paid big for that right. An acquaintance of mine managed to get to see that first game. He said the atmosphere was electric with the song pounding loud and the team players running onto the floor.


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