Exit Wound
 

How timely is this - with all the talk amongst us shooters on HardDrive's thread about hard cast bullets in his .44 mag Henry lever gun, I was presented, just this afternoon, a great opportunity to reaffirm the impressive penetration of the heavy for caliber lead bullet moving at moderate velocity.

I found myself out on the back deck refilling my various bird feeders which, this time of year, is a daily chore. We have a lot of really cool little songbirds that hang out with us through the winter (my sons say I'm creating a "dependent population", which may be true, but we do keep them well fed. The old timers that know me will even land on my head, but that's another story).

So, feeders full, I'm hanging out with the little guys, when I suddenly spied movement inside the base of a juniper bush. I thought maybe it was a bird, but further investigation revealed a burrow... hmm...

Out comes the peanut butter. Smeared a little right next to the hole, and dropped a couple of pea sized lumps down into the hole. Sure enough, within half an hour, we had activity...

Out comes my 1979 Sheridan Blue Streak, "Steroid" modified my Timmy Mac of Mac1 Airguns. 12 pumps now drives a 14.3 grain, .20 caliber (5mm) pellet to a thundering 720 fps. The rat bastard never had a chance...

The pellet caught him on the point of his left shoulder from ten yards away, at a kind of quartering towards me angle. It exited behind the right shoulder, as seen in the photo. Yet another "cast bullet" (kinda sorta...) gets the job done...:D

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You've hurt that rat's self-esteem. Not being very inclusive. Maybe you and he should have tried some group therapy. Why do you solve your problems with violence?

If only the rat had a violence-free safe zone ....


(good shooting)

On top of all that, you exposed the rat to peanuts, a known allergen. You violated his rights created a hazard, and gave him lead poisoning. You, sir, are a menace.

Rat Bastard Lives Matter!

Got a 'dillo in our fenced yard, was driving the dog nutz and I couldn't chase it out of the gate. CCI Quiet (40grn LRN @ 710fps) can shatter both shoulders of a 'dillo on the way through and leave a massive exit holt... out of a 26" barrel bolt gun is suppressor level quiet. My baby sleeping on the other side of a wall I was next to didn't even notice, and the wife didn't hear it over the baby monitor.

how far was that shot? and did Tim install that peep..what is the front sight?

i'm gonna send mine off. hell, maybe just drop it off as i drive by. he is in Los Angelos right?

Shouldn't this thread be over in PARF?

You shot an unarmed rat? There is gonna be rat riots in your back yard

should this be merged with the "how to cook roast beast" thread?

:rolleyes: here we go.

Don't worry Baz. Rats are like grey pubic hairs. If you pull one, three come back in it's place.

Nice! I love shooting with air rifles. I have a 1200 fps Gamo. My F.I.L calls me whenever he has a skunk in his live trap and I have to go over and take care of it. My son and I actually squirrel hunt with air rifles.

Yup, Tim drilled and tapped the receiver and installed the peep, and he is in L.A. Just do it - you won't be disappointed. The early Sheridans were not factory drilled and tapped for the peep sight. The front sight is the one the rifle came with. I just painted it white so it shows up better in twilight.

As far as I could tell, the little rat bastard expressed no political or religious affiliations.

rotflmao! :d

How timely - now just refer to this thread!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/895048-how-best-cook-roast-beast.html

That's a rat bastard? Sorry I thought that was Carly..... SmileWavy

Phew!
I thought someone winged you while hunting budgies

That rat is one guilty bastard.

As much as I dislike speaking ill of the the dead... He is a guilty bastard; look at that tummy on him. He's been working the bird feeder scene for quite some time.

He'd be pushing up daisies if his feet weren't nailed to the deck.

Uh...oh wait...he is pushing up daisies.

Jeff, always enjoy your posts. My Blue Streak was also circa 1979/1980 and has had more kills than Boromir at the end of the Fellowship of the Rings. It hasn't held a charge in probably 20 years but I couldnt discard it. Its good to hear someone out there can reforge it to former glory. I'm going to reach out to him.

Timmy Mac is the best. He has a real passion for, and incredibly in-depth knowledge of, all things Benjamin and Sheridan. He'll get you squared away.

It has saddened me to learn that the Sheridan is no more. The Benjamin pneumatic (392 and 397) are not long for this world, either. Tim says the tooling for the .20 caliber barrel wore out and he just could not get a good one anymore, then they got discontinued after a great deal of customer dissatisfaction with them. Now it's just a matter of how much longer the .177 (397) and .22 (392) hold out. Crossman/Benjamin/Sheridan says the old school brass soldered "stacked" construction is just too expensive to produce. What a shame.

I bought one of the last "in stock" 392's that Tim sold several years ago. He now insists that we send him known accurate rifles for modification. It's apparently getting harder and harder to win this "accuracy lottery", with guys on the airgun forums saying it's averaging two or three tries before they find a "keeper". The end is near...

Another thing - as nostalgic and cool as early Sheridans are, Tim says the last generation, wherein the Bluestreak, 397, and 392 are all the same rifle, are superior. I would have to agree. They are kind of club-like and crudely finished, and they no longer have real walnut, but mechanically, they are superior. That said, though, I do like my old Bluestreaks.

What, no trigger warning? :D

Nice shot.

Honestly, Jeff, that was unnecessary. You could have Tasered him.

I'm gonna start a heavy metal band and call it Exit Wound.

Jeff Higgins is my hero.

Hey Jeff, ever since you weighed in on my search for a handgun a few years back, I have been increasingly jonesing for a .45 LC Blackhawk. I happen to work with a guy right now who is a gunsmith-ey guy. He understands your love for this firearm. I will understand too. It's inevitable.

:eek: Nooooooo!

According to the law of natural selection, all you're doing is hastening the point at which the little buggers will do their dastardly deeds under the cover of darkness with ninja-like stealth and precision.

I guess that could be a few thousand years from now though... so, no harm, no foul and good to see there's one less rat bastard on the prowl.

Many moons ago, my biology-major roommate chastised me for killing a cockroach in our apartment by stomping on it while it was on the run across the kitchen floor...

"Don't do that... they'll just get faster." Said it with a smirk. Took me a few seconds, but I finally got it.

I'll send mine in. I have a PCP that should keep me distracted for the duration.

He wants the stock removed or something.


Sent via Jedi mind trick.

Nice shot Jeff. One small serving of hasenpfeffer.

Holy smokes, Supe - long time no see. How have you been? We need to meet over a beer and discuss the finer points of airguns, .45 Colts, and anything else we can come up with.

Vash, removing the stock just makes it cheaper to ship and gives him one less thing to mix up, damage, or lose. One screw and it's off. Leave the forearm on it, though.

Well done, Jeff.
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Never "hunted" squirrels...but chased them out of my Fig tree whenever they showed up...would just speed them along their way a little.
As a kid back in North Dakota we would "chip" squirrels with scoped .22s.
Hit the bark right next to their head...knock 'em outa the tree..they'd eventually regain their bearings & run off.
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Purchased 15 years ago.
RWS Diana Mod. 38 .177 (somewhere around 1,500 - 1,700 fps)
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i am skeptical of all the published FPS for some of these guns. as i understand it, they use super lightweight pellets to shoot thru the chronos.

even my newest gun, they sent a printout of 20 shots thru the chronograph. it was blistering fast and i noted they were using the lightest .22 cal pellet. whatever.. i shoot a 18 gr pellet...no, i "lob" a 18 grain pellet. :)

my friend in college had a target gun. we would clip lemons off the tree in the backyard from our flat's window. in san francisco. very legit and legal i'm sure. that thing was not fast, but dang it was surgical.

This may sound ridiculous, but are there any ballistic gelatin tests of air rifle pellets? How does the velocity vs mass trade-off look?

Exactly like a regular bullet.

Hunters go for heavier ammo. Saw a ballistic gel shot with a big bore ag. Think it was a 45 cal. Looked like a powder shot. Loud too!


Sent via Jedi mind trick.

I looked at some videos of gelatin tests with BBs and pellets. Couldn't find any that compared heavier vs lighter pellets. But still, wow, 4-5" penetration, plenty for rats.

"i am skeptical of all the published FPS for some of these guns. "
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I am as well.
My RWS is probably more like under 1,000 fps with the heavier pellets.
But even plucking squirrels, pine cones, oranges/lemons, tuna fish cans, I'd use the light pellets.

You guy made me curious so I just went out and did a little pellet ballistics testing. I have a Gamo Hornet .177 producing 1200 fps. I used to use it against the squirrels destroying my avocado yield, but went to a Savage Mark II .22 using CCI Quiet-22 LR. The Quiet-22 is sub-sonic at 710 fps, and maybe a little quieter than the Gamo.

I fired a couple of each into a planed 2" Doug-fir board placed at 75'. Amazing that the slower 40gr .22 at 710 fps had significantly more penetration that a .177 7.56gr Gamo Hunter pellet. It just shows the importance of weight when producing kinetic and impact energy.

Measured to the butt of the bullet obviously (see pics)...The 1200 fps pellet penetrate 3/8". The 710fps .22 penetrated 1 5/8", and almost went clean through (of course the wood density is not the same throughout the board, would could affect results).

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nice!! interesting. i think force = mass x acceleration.

last time i shot my pellet gun in the backyard, i heard my neighbor say, "hey, what was that noise?" (to her husband)

i put it away for good. and my rifle is baffled. i use heavy pellets primarily to keep them subsonic, but my rifle has the rubbery "planck" sound..

I use the Beeman Grizzly pellets in my .177 as they group very nicely and hit hard. I will give up some speed for power.