Possible 993 purchase, a few questions
 

I wasn't looking but a mechanic who did the trans on my race car has this in his shop doing a clutch. Customer wants to sell. 1995 cabriolet, 75k in miles, I think 4 owners, current one since about 40k. Not highly optioned but in nice shape for a car that has seen pretty regular use. Has aftermarket top with liner sagging, a few wear areas on the interior, normal road debris chips in front, etc.

How well does the AWD system hold up in these in terms of reliability?

He has the factory wheels but one is cracked so these were sourced. Any ideas on what they are?

Price range if it checks out?

Does the 993 continue to hold/appreciate in value? I wouldn't normally buy cars/motorcycles as investments but the classics in my garage have done better than the market and are more fun to look at and drive!


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993s are holding their value, with the S's doing very nicely. I expect all 993s to start trending upward soon. I think they have very good appreciation potential, but it may be several years before we see that.

I would expect that car to sell for around $33,000-$35,000. Very, very nice examples sell in the 40's. Beaters go in the high 20's.

I have the very same car, except in India Red.

AWD is no problem on the 993. Of course it still is silly to have but it is a better system than in the 964.

No clue on wheels, but I'd go with a period correct aftermarket wheel such as a Fikse - or stockers - they are cheap to buy used.

The miles are nice and low, which helps on price Cab is a big price detractor. I don't think this is a >40k car, but I don't think it is a low 30s car any more either, due to mileage and condition. Of course that is open market / Ebay type pricing, so you will want to hit low. Try to get it under 30 and you will be ahead at any rate!

Good Luck! I would not mind to add a cab to my stable.

G

The wheels are 17" Porsche 996 Carrera 4 wheels.
996 C4

So, it sounds like you'd need one more wheel (I'd sell the ones that are on it), maybe a set of tires, and a top? And you'll have a fresh clutch. Do you trust the mechanic to provide a good PPI? Do you know what the seller wants for the car?

the headliner job is not cheap either, so is clutch. $25k :D

I'd say that's a $35k car, tops. I would start at $30k and see where it goes.

How much is a new top?

Wait - G50 and 915 Carrera's are going for more money than 993's?

My wife would start at $18k. (I pray I never will have a divorce ...).

But seriously, I'd ask what the owner has in mind. You may be surprised. Never be the first one to throw out a number.

Georg

Maybe not more in same condition, but very close. Puzzling ...

G

He's looking for $40k as a starting point. I need another car like a hole in the head but have some things I could sell and I would like a Cabriolet. If I can get it for low $30's it might be worth a shot. The mechanic will provide a good PPI with me by his side asking a lot of annoying questions :-) A buddy just picked up a pretty nice 84 Carrera from an estate, high miles but fresh J Walker motor for $20k so something may be in the air around here.....

I don't think there is any doubt the 993 will appreciate in value. In SoCal, that car would be close to $40k. It's the last air cooled Porsche AND the last hand built car. It's also the last 911 with the simple interior, raw feel, and raw sound. They're heavy for the HP, but still fun to drive.

I put 83,000 miles on my guards red 95 cab in six yeara and never had a single expense outside tires, brakes, and routine maintenance. I wish I still had it.

I drove my 993 today and I still can't get over what a great all-around car it is. I'm always amazed that a car can handle no well and ride so nice at the same time. One thing for sure is that the car won't lose value while you own it. The 1995s are nice because the secondary injection ports won't throw any check engine lights (headaches at emissions time) like the later years.

Those wheels are off of a 996 C4 (not the C4S), not very common. (oops, Max beat me to it...)

AWD and convertibles don't bring as much as ' normal' 993s. 993s have been climbing rapidly also and nice examples are easily in the 50s now.

It's a very nice looking car and I don't mind those wheels at all. It's the right color and what some may not be considering is how well cars stay preserved up in Jerry's neck of the woods. If they're garaged, they stay amazingly nice. :cool:

Do it! Because... 993 :)

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Dunno about the serious stuff, but that's one gorgeous looking car.

40k is definitely too rich. Maybe he threw out a number and you can try for less. Is this EXACTLY what you'd buy if you could spec it exactly to your liking? Well, if not, then don't pay market price. If you pay market price, you might as well cast a wider net and get what you EXACTLY want. ;)

G

Buy it for low 30's and sell it in Canada for 50k

:)

Montana in late spring? Stunning photo...But I am partial to red Porsches.

Had my 95 for 6 years now.
Couple of quick checks, courtesy of a friend up north with a 993. C4? Probably driven some in the snow, even though they will say no. Look carefully around windshield gasket, also near side mirrors for rust. Pop trunk, fold carpet back, and throw the lever to pop out the lights. look for rust behind the lights on the mounting surfaces in the fender area, headlight buckets. Also a good area to check for repaints/ color mismatch.

I've had my '95 993 cab for about 4 years now. I'm so impressed at how reliable its been. My wife and I have driven it all over the US. She has said its one of the most comfortable cars she's ridden in which surprized me because I've had my share of nice vehicles. I'm starting to think she may like it more than I do!
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Very good point. The 993 cabs aren't crazy prices as the more rare models like the C2S, C4S, and TT. $40k opens up a LOT of possibilities.

If you are considering it, just go in knowing that a C4 Cab is one of the least desirable configurations, and negotiate accordingly.
The only thing that could make it worse would be a Tiptronic trans. One with wear issues, non-original wheels, and road rash would be a sub-$30k car for me.


As Matt mentioned, there are a bunch of choices with a budget of $40k. You could probably be in a 997 Cab for $10k less that what they guy is asking for that car, or even something like a 996 TT Cab.

1998 911 Porsche Carrera Cabriolet One Owner,
This is what we get to deal with up here.....

What a dick!!!

Call that guy up and tell him that you can't afford his Porsche but you'd like the number for his crack dealer. Must be some amazing product. :cool:

Seriously? Pipe down Susan, and don't be such a hypocrite.

Funny how you can drop some non-sugar-coated "reality" in the Puerto Vallarta thread (which I agree with) and you are an "oracle of travel experience". I do the same here, and I'm a dick. Gotcha. :rolleyes:

It's just the way it is. A C4 Cab isn't going to command the same premium as a 6-spd C2 Coupe (or even a C2 Cab).
I never said they were bad cars, just the least desirable configuration (especially with the Tip). This is coming from a former Cab owner.

So, if you actually prefer that model and body style, let it work to your advantage when buying/negotiating. That's all I'm saying.


Ooooh I forgot, your 993 is a C4 cab, isn't it? Is that where the butt-hurt is coming from?

Here you go:

1995 Red C4 Cab w/ black interior, manual, original wheels, non-sagging headliner, 84k miles, Looks fairly clean. Asking $35K:
Cars for Sale: Used 1995 Porsche 911 in Carrera 4, Brookfield CT: 06804 Details - Convertible - Autotrader

Jerry -

If you are seriously considering the black C4, I would use listings like the one above as data-points in negotiation. Just the fact that the seller wouldn't have to hassle with listing the car for sale should buy you a little negotiating power.
Add in the fact that the car above has original wheels, no road rash or sagging (aftermarket) top issues, and you have shouldn't have any problem articulating/substantiating an offer well below what he is asking. Good luck.

Is this a "truth hurts" moment? Cabs and Targas are always at the bottom of 911 values. That's just reality.

Thanks for the advice/education. I told the mechanic $30k to low $30's was where I thought the car would sell and I might be interested in it if the owner wanted an easy deal. He said he was going to list the car at $40k, fine. It's not a car I am going to chase.

I didn't realize you could still get any 993 for so cheap. Maybe I should go shopping. I thought they were all $60K+ now. Seen a few over $100K on the market. Insane. Looks like a beautiful car, hope you get it!!

You are mixing up your (sub) models. :cool:

Just having s little fun with Eric :)

I'm well aware that Cabs are bottom of the barrel. That will change eventually, but it's going to be a while.

Yes!

I'd love a "his and hers" but I don't even drive my coupe enough! Those red cabs look great! I think they look best with the tops up actually! :)

Wait until the 993 hits the historic vehicle status in Germany 10 years from now ... Brace yourself ...

G