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Lets extend this to people who grew up in any tough situation, and those who did not.
Another pelican commented that because I come from a good family in a fortunate situation, my MBA can hardly be regarded as an accomplishment, because other people have come from much dire situations and achieved much more. Which is true. But is it fair to downplay someones achievements because they had a head start in the rat race? Is everything a millennial accomplishes asterisked because they did not struggle like some people in the past? |
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I write from neither a right nor left pov. My personality is on the conservative side of the coin and as such I have to represent that pov. However I can delineate that right out, as I can watch myself do it. Some people think I pontificate, but what I present is the cold light of day with no and ifs or buts. Reality is a hard mistress and it is tough to swallow at times. Many people dither this way or that trying to avoid the truth of the matter, but reality is like a dagger in the heart...the consequences are unavoidable. I do have a very unique perspective for this or that reason, where as most people live their lives in MONO with possible intermittent STEREO effects I live my life in a full Stereo world...In other words I understand DUALITY, or being able to see both sides of the coin at the same time. Where I live is in the middle between the two sides of the coin.. To use a sonic analogy it is like being able to pick out the counter posing guitar riffs of both Richards and Taylor on the Get Yer Ya Yas Out version of Sympathy For the Devil. There is clear delineation once you start to listen for them. For me it is like that for everything...and in the middle you have Jagger growling like Lucifer himself. |
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Now how many of you can hear the stereo playing here? |
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I think the top 10% of today's youth work harder for what they get than the top 10% of my generation did. |
I just left my son's graduation from VMI.
We are fine. |
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I spent the 45 minutes waiting for all the graduates to get outside the arena after graduation with a Rancher and his wife from Montana. His grandson was a graduate today as well and coincidentally is friends with Jack. He is a Korean War vet and had a twinkle in his eye.
We had a great time. His wife is a Physicians Assistant who flew as a medivac PA in Montana. She had more harrowing flight stories than I do, X10. What a Dame. It was a gathering of pleasant, solid people; families, accomplished in their own way who look you right in the eye. Jack is on the right below, with a good friend from HS. Another fine young man. We took the exact same picture 4 years ago. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1463439402.jpg |
How did the tail-end of Baby-Boomers produce such dysfunction?
The same way as the generation before and the generation after. And the generation before that and the one that will come after. Why do you think that is the only generation with screw ups? |
I just had an employee give his notice - he is about 24 y/o
I asked him why? His reply - More pay less hours. So I probed a little more - He said he was going to make about $1.50 more an hour... So he is taking a pay cut when you count overtime (he won't be getting any now). I probed a little further. He said he saw no room for growth because he didn't see me leaving anytime soon. I had been offering to pay for certifications that would help him move up in our world... he never took me up on those offers. He doesn't have the skill set to do half of what I do and yet he thinks he should moving into my job in the near future. I wished him luck on his new job. Interviewing to replace him I see much of the same attitude in the same age range. They don't seem to feel the need to work up the ladder - they think they are owed the position they want. |
Screwed up kids mostly come from screwed up parents who were frequently kids of screwed up parents. Alcohol, drugs, abuse, grandiosity, entitlement, mental illness...many know nothing else and can't imagine anything different. On and on.
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Ahhh IC. I'll bet current 24y/o are the first to not respect authority or want to skip the chain of command. All previous generations like your own had the upmost respect for those in a superior position. |
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I have 2 young people on my team, one 23, the other 28. Both recent college graduates. They work their asses off.
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Some you can blame on longer life span and the market crash keeping boomers working, keeping gen x from the top positions and gen y even further down. Tail end boomers have all of the money tied up (kind of funny from the once upon a time hippy generation). What's really going to be bad is when they all sell off the 401ks and property as they begin to cash out and die off, can you say stock crash?
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Perhaps the bong hitting slackers see the bk hypocrisy of their elders in striving for more stuff in a materialistic society. How much inner peace do you have surrounded by stuff while working on your third marriage?
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Why do you confuse peeps with the facts?:) On the upside, I will say my 25 year old daughter scares the s**t out of me with her political savvy and work ethic. (meaning she is more aware now than I was at 40) |
Congratulations Paul. I know how difficult VMI is, and how your son persevered more than just about anyone else. I'm sure he will do well at whatever he chooses!
Similarly, God willing in 10 days I will be attending my daughter's graduation from USNA. I go there as often as I can just so I can feel the strength that emanates from so many fine young men and women. You described it well, and it does give hope for the future. It's really too bad more of the focus is not placed on the good and the true, but I understand the focus of the media all too well. But for every VMI grad (how many?) and for every one of the 1200 Midshipmen that will graduate this year, how many others have no regard for what made this country great? How many do not know what makes the country exceptional? Time will tell I suppose. Congratulations again! |
If you're actually talking baby boomers (1945 to 1964 statistically), for a good read try:
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Or if you want to laugh through your tears...
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Do these threads come up on sync with some menstrual cycle or moon phase or something? Yes, there are lazy people in the world but my 26 YO, Masters in Social Work, put herself through grad school, working since she was 17, now with a good job working to help kids that have been through hell and my ROTC scholarship, 1st Lieutenant, Ranger qualified, heading to Afghanistan on Friday 23 year old would tell you to calm down.
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On the other hand, it's great to hear stories from some of you about your hard-working, successful youngsters. I wish that this country had thousands more just like them... |
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Weird how everyone posts how great their millennial kids are, yet somehow WE ARE ALL LAZY. I'm going with moon phases. |
There is a reason why non technological people are wanted for Big Data jobs. It is called non linear thinking. Big Data is trying to use technology to get in touch with the Animal Spirits or put another way the collective sentiment of society. Quite frankly that is one of the things I do an that is I talk to them spirits only I dont need no box to figure it out.
It is really ironic in that people are trying to use linear thinking in trying to catch a non linear wave. To catch that wave you have to use subjective intution. |
This again? Yes, I think is brought on by a moon phase.
Between my wife and I we are 2 for 3. My son has his doctorate and manages addiction studies at a leading university hospital. Wife's son earned his MBA and is plant manager for a pharmaceutical company. Her daughter is a disrespectful, irresponsible, hateful person. Same genes, same upbringing, but totally different than her brother. Why?? |
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I think it is wrong to stereotype our current youth. There were nogoods and hardworkers in the past and nothing has changed. Our daughter will have her Phd this September. We will hear by this Friday if she has got a job as research facilitator. If not she can go to Oxford Univ. or Cornell or Australia for her Post Doc.
I look around and see the extremes of talent the same as it has always been. |
I'll write you privately - don't want to take this thread off-topic.
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"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more
worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt." So wrote Horace a couple thousand years ago; I think boomers' kids are just fine. |
How can you see this and remain hopeful? I really want to know.
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On second thought, your a good example.
I worry about our future because people like you cast judgements in the way that you do. |
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Do I think that virtues are being lost on the current generation, such as hard work and honesty?
Yes. Do I think that the current generation has a morality that centers more on themselves than others? Yes. I see the trend toward more government dependency as a bad thing, as well as the legalization of drugs and the encouragement of sexual exploration (that's how I see the whole gender neutral thing - it's encouraging sexual freedom), and the destruction of the family unit as all very bad things. It's not about who's at fault. The point is that we're in trouble as a society. |
The biggest problem most of us have in The West is that we can't afford a brand new BMW.
Obesity is the norm and mediocrity is assured. Life is plush and easy. Were's the challenge? |
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If you have little or no ambition, and are content to just scrape by day-to-day, it's not very hard at all to survive without having to contribute a thing to the greater good. |
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Now if we could have a civil discussion without name calling, that might be productive, or at least lead to a little clarity? It's YOUR call. |
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If you would like to have an INTELLIGENT conversation, it's up to you. It's your call. |
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