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Gunter 05-23-2016 07:36 AM

993 C2 1995 Value question
 
Very nice condition with about 145.000 km. (90.000 miles?) Canadian version always in British Columbia and never winter-driven.
Everything works. The ’95 has an effective alarm system but doesn’t have ignition immobilizer like the later 993’s, which I like.
Special Factory Custom Color: sea-foam green metallic with black interior.
Heated Leather sport seats, sun roof, A/C, ABS, 6-speed manual, LSD, 5-spoke 17" wheels, lowered to European height.
Bought from Weissach in Vancouver Sept. 2010.
Work done: Rotors and pads about 2 years ago, new brake fluid, lower right valve cover seal replaced, shock tower strut bar added. 12V digital charging indicator under dash added. New battery.
Nothing major on Carfax/CarProof.
Minor scratch on front bumper about 1 mm deep and 2 inches wide from a trailer hitch was professionally repainted and a broken headlight fixed with insurance claim.
I removed front bumper and had it repainted, nice job. Left headlight is new. Original leather-bound Driver's manual and Warranty booklet and full front bra included.
Didn't drive it last year.......other interests.

Approximate market value, please.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1464017024.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1464017204.jpg

More pix from 2010 Ad:

http://www.weissach.com/listings/1995-porsche-911-6-speed-manual-210-2857/

christiandk 05-23-2016 10:31 AM

Ouch, that is something I like. 55k+ if you have the booklets! I would take it but I am short of 55k plus these days.

PS. is the handsome gentleman part if the deal?

Matt Monson 05-23-2016 12:39 PM

$55k is a bit soft for such a unique color and only Euro trash care about the booklets. Its not a low mileage car. Service records matter more than dealer stamps in a little book 20 years old.

christiandk 05-23-2016 09:30 PM

You yourself come from Euro trash my good Matt and I agree with you on the service records.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-23-2016 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christiandk (Post 9132873)
You yourself come from Euro trash my good Matt . . .

I hear that Danes and Coloradians are both quite trashy - nice!!!

Gunter 05-24-2016 07:49 AM

Hmm........?

Strut Bar picture:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1464104918.jpg

christiandk 05-24-2016 08:05 AM

Thank God - have been thinking about your car for the last 24 hours - Strut bars turn me off.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-24-2016 08:08 AM

^^^

Heaven forbid a "modification", right . . . ?! :)

Gunter 05-24-2016 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christiandk (Post 9133262)
Thank God - have been thinking about your car for the last 24 hours - Strut bars turn me off.

As a Mech. Engineer with more than 7000 posts, I know a lot more about Engines, Suspensions, Brakes etc. than the average Porsche owner and I'm always amazed about the morons who turn up when treads are posted. :rolleyes:

Try refurbishing some 911's, try rebuilding a few engines, try setting up a racing suspension before you go blah, blah, blah.... Nitwit. :D

specialtyoneinc 05-24-2016 09:34 AM

Sweet 993. Should be able to get $65k Canadian at the low-end if everything checks out. GLWS

christiandk 05-24-2016 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9133298)
As a Mech. Engineer with more than 7000 posts, I know a lot more about Engines, Suspensions, Brakes etc. than the average Porsche owner and I'm always amazed about the morons who turn up when treads are posted. :rolleyes:

Try refurbishing some 911's, try rebuilding a few engines, try setting up a racing suspension before you go blah, blah, blah.... Nitwit. :D

Congrats with your education, your 7000 posts and good luck with the sale.

jeffbottman 05-25-2016 06:08 PM

Not so great to insult people on this forum. It's well known that stupid people tend to think they know a lot more that they do, Mr 7000.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9133298)
As a Mech. Engineer with more than 7000 posts, I know a lot more about Engines, Suspensions, Brakes etc. than the average Porsche owner and I'm always amazed about the morons who turn up when treads are posted. :rolleyes:

Try refurbishing some 911's, try rebuilding a few engines, try setting up a racing suspension before you go blah, blah, blah.... Nitwit. :D


Gunter 05-26-2016 05:14 AM

Very true, 368? The subject was: "993 C2 1995 Value Question" and some replies here and on Rennlist were actually helpful and appreciated but then there are also 'intellectual giants' who feel they need to chime in with nonsense.

Keep learning, knowledge is power.

NO DOUBT, MORE 'INTELLECTUALS WILL COME FORWARD. GFY SmileWavy

christiandk 05-26-2016 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9135881)
Very true, 368? GFY SmileWavy

Classy!

A free piece of advice from Mr. Nitwit. Feel free to use it if you want.

Clear out your trunk and wash it before taking more pictures and posting them here. disgusting pic. And what is that hand gesture. Is that a secret sign to get hitchhikers to take a ride with you?

P.S. Michael Moore called. He wants his cap and sunglasses backSmileWavy

christiandk 05-26-2016 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9135881)
Very true, 368? The subject was: "993 C2 1995 Value Question" and some replies here and on Rennlist were actually helpful and appreciated but then there are also 'intellectual giants' who feel they need to chime in with nonsense.

Keep learning, knowledge is power.

No doubt, more 'Intellectuals' will come forward. GFY SmileWavy

Edited after realizing that you were out of line. Good for you.

Matt Monson 05-26-2016 06:22 AM

Given your location I would call Jeff Alton at Turn3 and James at Scan if you are serious about selling. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew someone looking for a 993. $60-65k cdn seems about right and don't even try to market it in the States at first.

Gunter 05-27-2016 05:53 AM

Thank you for constructive input from some of you, very much appreciated. :)

For the usual inevitable idiots, take your medication or find another post for your OCD and go blah, blah, blah......

dw.metro 06-02-2016 10:28 PM

I just bought a 1995 C4 with similar mileage from Calgary and brought it back to Vancouver in March. I am confident that you can get at least $70,000 locally if it checks out.

mulsanne79 06-03-2016 07:54 AM

Nice car in a quite lovely color. However, my price analysis is not as favorable as some of the other ones above.

90,000 mileage will bring the price down quite a bit. I know it's not crazy high numbers, but for 993 it is a bit too high. Remember that lots of people are purchasing these cars as collector vehicles with the potential of resale. And 90k mile car will mainly likely attract your regular Porsche guy who is looking for a driver and won't pay crazy money.

The Carfax issue is big, and no matter how well this minor damage is documented, it will always be a turn off. Your regular Porsche enthusiast won't mind much, but the doctor & lawyer types that want an air-cooled, and are willing to pay a lot, will walk away.

And finally, the car is Canadian. That's "north of the north," and no matter how much assurance you give that you have not driven this vehicle in snow and/or on salty roads, it will still bring doubts. Especially when the car has travelled 90,000 miles.

I am not trying to be negative but rather give you some of the key facts to consider when pricing this car. I sale air-cools for living and I guess have a good grasp on what people like and what turns them off. However, every car deal stands on its own and you might have someone offer you the $70,000.. But in my humble opinion, in the current softening market, this car is about $47k - $52k (considering that the Carfax does say that there was an accident, or minor damage)

Perhaps your best bet would be to sell this car on Bring A Trailor. Their selling platform gives you chance to interact with potential buyers and you will have plenty of time to truly describe this car and clear up any negatives there might be.

GLWS

dw.metro 06-04-2016 06:06 AM

I should have clarified this in my post. My estimate of $70,000 is in CDN dollars or $54,000 USD. There is a lot of wealth and car enthusiasts in Vancouver with no supply for coupes except for a few convertibles which are asking more or less of my estimate.

Gunter 06-04-2016 07:47 AM

Everything sells eventually........it's just a matter of time and price.

It certainly detracts from value when a vehicle is stored for 6 months during winter in a warm garage. :rolleyes:

I get a kick out of opinions that Canada is all snow and ice, LOL. :D

Hmm.......Vancouver, Kelowna, Victoria never get snow and therefore there is no salt and people drive all year. :eek:

Will be 33-37 Celsius here in the next few days.........Porsche weather. :cool:

christiandk 06-05-2016 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9147449)
Everything sells eventually........it's just a matter of time and price.

It certainly detracts from value when a vehicle is stored for 6 months during winter in a warm garage. :rolleyes:

I get a kick out of opinions that Canada is all snow and ice, LOL. :D

Hmm.......Vancouver, Kelowna, Victoria never get snow and therefore there is no salt and people drive all year. :eek:

Will be 33-37 Celsius here in the next few days.........Porsche weather. :cool:

Remember to put on your red cap if you open the moon/sunroof! Nobody likes a burned head SmileWavy

+ the pic from your ad taken from birds view is very nice. Awesome color!

impactbumper 06-05-2016 05:13 PM

Here is a positive input: You are all honest, so whoever buys your car will likely to have an unpleasant surprise.

As far as the car is concerned, not a popular color nor a striking one, Canada, high miles, and accident history will push a lot of people away.

But, me, I dig it.

pmax 06-05-2016 05:59 PM

Some thoughts on your ad

Quote:

Nothing major on Carfax/CarProof, ICBC shows repairs under $2000.-
Minor damage/scratch on front bumper and broken headlight repaired with insurance claim.
I removed front bumper and had it repainted, very nice paint job.
Cleaned up stuff and components in front while the bumper was off. Left headlight is new.
This sounds confusing at best and at worst dismissive of the damage. Have a picture of the affected area ?

Quote:

Didn't drive it last year.......other interests.
Why mention this at all ?

Cool color and nice pics.
GLWS

Gunter 06-06-2016 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by impactbumper (Post 9148923)
Here is a positive input: You are all honest, so whoever buys your car will likely to have an unpleasant surprise.
Unpleasant surprise?? :confused:
Love the "Armchair Experts". :eek: Think positive and have a thorough inspection done before buying.

As far as the car is concerned, not a popular color nor a striking one, Canada, high miles, and accident history will push a lot of people away.

But, me, I dig it.

Most people always like the color; lots of compliments. :cool:
Canada? Oh yeah, the polar Country, always under snow and ice. :D
Accident history? A surface scratch from a trailer hitch on top of the front bumper approximately 2 inches really is an accident. :rolleyes:
High miles? If a 6 cylinder Porsche boxer engine cannot take 90,000 miles, buy a Volvo or Subaru.

More "Long-Distance Assessments", please, it's entertaining. :D

Gunter 06-06-2016 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9148974)
Some thoughts on your ad



This sounds confusing at best and at worst dismissive of the damage. Have a picture of the affected area ?



Why mention this at all ?

Cool color and nice pics.
GLWS

The "damage" was a surface scratch from a trailer hitch......on top of the front bumper, not even 1 mm deep.......nothing to see of the affected area because it was professionally treated and repainted........very clean, like new.

I'll add a picture of the bumper.

Why mention not driving last year? Because "Other Interests" is the reason for sale and not because of the 2-inch scratch on the front bumper, LOL.

pmax 06-06-2016 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9149416)
The "damage" was a surface scratch from a trailer hitch......on top of the front bumper, not even 1 mm deep.......nothing to see of the affected area because it was professionally treated and repainted........very clean, like new.

I'll add a picture of the bumper.

This is a lot clearer to me.

Quote:

Why mention not driving last year? Because "Other Interests" is the reason for sale and not because of the 2-inch scratch on the front bumper, LOL.
Because it brings up the question as to why. Is there something else wrong with it ? etc etc

Speaking of which, did you actually not drive it at all last year ?!?

NYNick 06-06-2016 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9149381)
Most people always like the color; lots of compliments. :cool:
Canada? Oh yeah, the polar Country, always under snow and ice. :D
Accident history? A surface scratch from a trailer hitch on top of the front bumper approximately 2 inches really is an accident. :rolleyes:
High miles? If a 6 cylinder Porsche boxer engine cannot take 90,000 miles, buy a Volvo or Subaru.

More "Long-Distance Assessments", please, it's entertaining. :D

Here's the name of the thread you started:
? 993 C2 1995 Value question

If you didn't want assessments or don't like the answers, you should not have asked.
I am very familiar with Canada, and have many Canadian friends.
You are unlike any of them up there that I know. Arrogant and dismissive they are not. Good luck selling the car with those attitudes. You're right about one thing though; they all sell, it's just a matter of price and time.

SkunkWorks 06-06-2016 02:41 PM

You should list this up on BAT.

With your attitude the commentary on there will be very entert-, er, valuable.

:)

pmax 06-06-2016 04:12 PM

Give the OP a break... he's from Canada ;)

Matt Monson 06-06-2016 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9150184)
Give the OP a break... he's from Canada ;)

Eh.

shaunmbenson 06-06-2016 08:19 PM

Gunter I dig your car and were I in the market I'd PM you on it immediately.

I'd say 60-65k Canadian asking price - and I think with potential buyers you would do well to heed some of the critique coming your way - don't be defensive or consider yourself smarter than the people asking legitimate questions - your car will sell quicker that way.

Good luck and close out the thread by letting us know what it sells for

amg463 06-06-2016 08:42 PM

Have a feeling we're dealing with a real German in Canada here guys.

impactbumper 06-07-2016 08:23 AM

he called me an armchair expert. If only he knew.... :D

NYNick 06-07-2016 08:52 AM

Well, this is the last line of his signature:

"Life is evolutionary random and has no meaning as evidenced by 7 Billion paranoid talking monkeys with super-inflated egos and matching vanity worshipping illusionary Gods and Saviors ".

I suppose we all should've read that one before responding to the thread.

Gunter 06-07-2016 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9149537)
This is a lot clearer to me.

Because it brings up the question as to why. Is there something else wrong with it ? etc etc

Speaking of which, did you actually not drive it at all last year ?!?

True, no drive last year.......other interests.......just start up occasionally and roll it out of the garage for a wash and treat the leather seats.

Many thanks for the actual constructive contributions.

As for the off-topic comments, predictions, judgements and some of the usual blah, blah, blah......chill out....time will tell.

Cheers from icy Canada. SmileWavy

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465317681.jpg

Repainted bumper, like new:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465318528.jpg

Gunter 06-07-2016 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYNick (Post 9150926)
Well, this is the last line of his signature:

"Life is evolutionary random and has no meaning as evidenced by 7 Billion paranoid talking monkeys with super-inflated egos and matching vanity worshipping illusionary Gods and Saviors ".

I suppose we all should've read that one before responding to the thread.

Good point, Nick........sometimes I even get angry emails from folks who don't like freedom of speech and think that the only way is a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other........reality? :rolleyes: It's a wonderful world. SmileWavy

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465319293.jpg

Rick Brooklyn 06-07-2016 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 9150929)

I see what you did there

Gunter 06-08-2016 06:25 AM

Always manually override the automatic spoiler function to vent/cool the engine after driving.....This one is on the way from Torrey, UT, (Capitol Reef National Park) to Bryce Canyon. A fantastic curvy climb to about 10,000 feet elevation. Some of you know this road.......made for Porsche. :cool:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465394282.jpg

And another one from "Snow-and-Ice-Canada".......SmileWavy

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465395931.jpg

Gunter 06-08-2016 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amg463 (Post 9150472)
Have a feeling we're dealing with a real German in Canada here guys.

Have a feeling we're dealing with an opinionated and under-educated LAX resident with illusions. :(

You missed it by about 5000 miles.......try Madagascar. :eek: Oh, those Germans.......they make good cars though. :)

This amg463 sent me several PM's offering CAD 60,000.00 right now.......money in your hands right away! "I'm going away for 3 weeks and "I want the car in my garage when I come back" :confused:

He lists as location: LAX.......(Los Angeles?) more than 2000 km from where the car is. No mention of how this cross-border fantasy-transaction would go down.?? Bring a suitcase full of cash? Load the car on a trailer and just drive across the border? Please, :eek:

No wonder I get sarcastic about some of the nuts and morons that usually respond with BS when threads are posted. :rolleyes:

Again: To some of you who gave positive and constructive answers: MANY THANKS. SmileWavy

The others........a quote from Rett Butler: I apologise for all you shortcomings. :p


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