Some pony cars are muscle cars, but not all pony cars are muscle cars. If you can't see how some pony cars are muscle cars, well, you are an idiot!

Muscle Car Definition – Muscle Car Club

List of Classic American Muscle Cars - Zero To 60 Times

Muscle...mid sized or full sized car with a monster engine. Primarily bought for it's ability to turn a fast elapsed time from a standing start to a 1/4 mile finish line.

Pony...stylish, usually a smaller displacement engine. Still semi performance oriented, but bought for cruising more then participating in street racing.

This definition got blurred as the muscle era neared it's end, circa early to mid 1970's and in the later 60's when Pony cars got bigger engines.

That, youngsters, is the classic definition.

For examples...Pontiac GTO is Muscle while Mustang is Pony.

(edit) I'll agree with the definitions given in the post above.

67 to 72 Mustangs with a 390, 428, or 429 engine are muscle cars.

Muscle cars don't really exist from 73 onward due first to government regulations and second to suspension development and automakers making a "whole" car.

How about the 84-87 Buick GN T typehttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1464089629.jpg

I agree with you on that car though a little different that it made big power with a turbo vs displacement. Any others you can think of?

Ford Typhoon?

How about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_300SEL_6.3

0-60 in 6.3 seconds is dang fast for a big car. One of my friends had one. He loved to humble many of the common Mustangs of the day.

He sold his '72?!

(dtw - owner of 4 different Mustangs, all of which were great cars)

1973-74 Pontiac Trans Am 455 SD

1974 Pontiac Trans Am SD455: We drive the last muscle car | Autoweek

Good call!

Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455 Archived Test – Review – Car and Driver

If a Mustang self-identifies as a muscle car, then who are YOU to judge?

Mustangs are people too.

Great, now we need to have trans-model garages.

"The Mustang is a secretary's car." Carroll Shelby, 1965.

He did wonderful things with it however, at the urging of FoMoCo.

The banker's hotrod. One of my all-time favourites.

I owned the last one ever built. red with the chicken delete.
the lawyer in my home town ordered it. turned out it was after the cut-off point. he threatened with legalese, got himself the car.
I bought it second hand(1983) 4200 bucks, 30000 miles. 10 miles per gallon. a total beast.
i sold it 3 weeks later for 10000. shoulda' kept it.

Yes, a Banker's hot rod...cool description. Not muscle because of it's unobtanium price and it was made in Germany.

I consider my '09 Bullitt Mustang to be a Pony. This because it has the non blown 4.6 3 valve engine, putting out a mere 315 horsepower. 15 more than the '09 GT because of a mild cam change, a cold air intake, and other minor stuff. It also has a 3:73 limited slip rear end, suspension upgrades, and that tuned exhaust. I really like it's look...no spoilers, stripes, or fake scoops. Only the faux gas cap with a Bullitt emblem for trim. Only the Bullitt has the dark highland green paint. It also has an adaptive tune. Meaning, I can run regular for a long boring freeway slog then gain some power through an automatic timing change when I switch back to 92 octane no alcohol, the highest octane available in Oregon. In '09, only the Bullitt had this feature. '09 GT 'Stangs may as well stay with regular, they have a fixed tune for it.

Other '09 Mustangs were much more powerful..the GT 500 being the top of the heap power wise. Perhaps it is indeed "muscle".

However...the Bullitt runs 0-60 in 5, the quarter in 14. If given a time machine, it could hang with many of the muscle cars of the glory days while eating them alive in the twisties.

So, Pony it is...but it runs fast enough for this old man and the street driving he does today.

Still, the siren call of the new 350GT is a strong one. Who knows what the future contains? I'm '72 now, so don't really have that many long term plans..other than going to my favorite pool hall Thursday afternoon.

Used Bullitts are out there...a budget minded car guy could do worse. Cheap fun, a good bang for the buck.

Seems like this paper has it wrong too...

Detroit muscle cars aren’t so strong in crash tests - The Globe and Mail

Gawd! Guess we'd all be better off in a Volvo if safety is your main concern. I noted that the article didn't mention which cars were best (or worst) in the crash tests...Yeah, newspaper writers...to them anything USA made capable of 0-60 under 10 seconds is a muscle car...including Pony cars.

Adding more motor to a Pony car doesn't make it a Muscle Car. Only more steel and more cubic inches will do that. A blower, nitrous, etc will only make a pony car a faster hot rod.

Couldn't agree more. How many cubes? I'd say just a bit shy of 400.

Here's a video that contains a message..."medium is good." My Pony car is extrememly "medium"...but it does all I need. The Chevelle in this video wouldn't be cheap to replicate, but it sure is a nice ride...a well balanced driver. Probably falls into Muscle because it's running a Chevrolet big bore small block...but it's somehow more than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogomhwse3ig

that makes this the Shetland pony?

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