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vash 06-06-2016 06:24 AM

pushing the button for pedestrian crossing..pushing it once.
 
boy.

i ride my bike to work and i have bike crossing buttons and a myriad of ped crossing buttons. ours are fancy. they either say, "wait" or "beep" when you push a button.

what is it with people that stand there mashing the button repeatedly?
"wait, wait wait wait wait....................................."

i've installed those systems. that''s like the car backing up and back over the loop detector repeatedly .

i've yet to explain it to anyone..haha..dont want to get shived..

i wish i could program one to NEVER switch if you keep pushing the bottom..or program the electronic voice to say.."lay off the button you mother effer"

:D

rattlsnak 06-06-2016 06:40 AM

Ever stand in a lobby waiting on an elevator and watch 10 people re-push the already lit 'up' button?

vash 06-06-2016 06:42 AM

yup.^^

i watched a poor guy put an envelope into a blue PO box and open the door multiple times to confirmed it slid away to safety.

Dantilla 06-06-2016 06:43 AM

At an elevator, when a button is pushed, their is a light that acknowledges the "up" or "down" has been requested.

The pedestrian crossing does not have any acknowledgement that the pressing of the button did anything.
Human nature is to keep pressing until there is some result.

Steve Carlton 06-06-2016 06:45 AM

Nothing wrong with making sure. Absolutely sure...

stomachmonkey 06-06-2016 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantilla (Post 9149442)
At an elevator, when a button is pushed, their is a light that acknowledges the "up" or "down" has been requested.

The pedestrian crossing does not have any acknowledgement that the pressing of the button did anything.
Human nature is to keep pressing until there is some result.

Correct.

May be a failure on the part of people who install those things to consider providing feedback to the user, like maybe a digital timer that counts down to when the light will change.

stomachmonkey 06-06-2016 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 9149439)
yup.^^

i watched a poor guy put an envelope into a blue PO box and open the door multiple times to confirmed it slid away to safety.

Can't tell you how often I sit in the driveway, watch the garage door close, leave, get around the corner and wonder "did it close", then turn around to check.:(

afterburn 549 06-06-2016 06:50 AM

I Cant Help ya Vash, I have watched you for years here posting your minuscule plethora of problems.
Every week you have several.
They are observations, of family, friends , animals ,in-laws , out laws, your kids, other people's kids. You name it, it is listed.
Some soap Opera somewhere is missing ya.
You could write for them.

porsche4life 06-06-2016 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9149452)
Can't tell you how often I sit in the driveway, watch the garage door close, leave, get around the corner and wonder "did it close", then turn around to check.:(

Lift master myq app. I can confirm it from my phone.

stomachmonkey 06-06-2016 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 9149471)
Lift master myq app. I can confirm it from my phone.

But what if the app is wrong?

CJFusco 06-06-2016 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9149449)
Correct.

May be a failure on the part of people who install those things to consider providing feedback to the user, like maybe a digital timer that counts down to when the light will change.

I've seen ped crossing buttons in my neck of the woods that light up with a red LED once the light is pushed.

ossiblue 06-06-2016 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJFusco (Post 9149489)
I've seen ped crossing buttons in my neck of the woods that light up with a red LED once the light is pushed.

This is a great "solution" (in quotes because, obviously, most traffic agencies don't consider there's a problem to solve.)

What I've noticed is there are different responses by the signal to the button push. At some intersections, the button does nothing more than activate the "Walk" sign once the signal goes through its regular timing cycle for the green light. In other words, failure to push the button results in a green light for traffic but no "Walk" command. At these types of intersections, peds tend to continually push the button because nothing seems to be happening as they wait for the cycle to complete.

At other intersections, I've witnessed the button change the cycle of the signal and the green for traffic, along with the "Walk" sign, appear sooner than the normal timing of the signal. At these intersections, peds tend to push once because they can see a result of the push within a few seconds.

Regardless of the type of intersection, I often see someone push the button, step aside a bit, and another person who has witnessed the pushing steps up and pushes it himself. Sort of saying, "Hey bud, I don't trust that you pushed the button correctly.":D

wdfifteen 06-06-2016 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9149452)
Can't tell you how often I sit in the driveway, watch the garage door close, leave, get around the corner and wonder "did it close", then turn around to check.:(

It never hurts to be sure of these things. I never flush the toilet until I have the stall door unlatched and I'm sure the door will open. I have nightmares about the horror of being in the stall with an overflowing toilet and a stuck door.

GH85Carrera 06-06-2016 08:49 AM

At a recent trip to a small two story office building I needed to go to the second floor. The stairwell is locked from the first floor for security so that is not an option. The elevator is SLOW. I walked up and pushed the button which lit up. Someone else walked up, looked at the lit button and pushed it again a few dozen times. The elevator finally arrived and we both got on. The control panel was on the side I went to so the mad button pusher sees me push the only logical button, the second floor. They then say "one please." I looked at them with a confused look and said you are already on the first floor. Then they said well I mean one more floor up. I replied there is only one more floor up, no other possible choices, and that is where the elevator is going to go. After that it will be able to go back down to the first floor. :confused:

creaturecat 06-06-2016 08:49 AM

me? i like to jab at the button while waiting - on my bicycle. maybe 10-15 beeps.
i never feel the need to do so while walking.

MMiller 06-06-2016 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9149452)
Can't tell you how often I sit in the driveway, watch the garage door close, leave, get around the corner and wonder "did it close", then turn around to check.:(

Damn I'm glad to know I'm not the only one! Pisses me off to "know" it's closed but have to go double check..

Baz 06-06-2016 05:14 PM

What about the idiots who push the button and then immediately proceed across the intersection without waiting....why did they even bother to push the button in the first place - except they're on a power trip - but are too dumb to understand how the process works....

dentist90 06-06-2016 05:19 PM

Hmmm... I thought those buttons were there just to give pedestrians something to do while the lights go through their normal cycle. :p

A930Rocket 06-06-2016 05:37 PM

I think we are related! lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9149452)
Can't tell you how often I sit in the driveway, watch the garage door close, leave, get around the corner and wonder "did it close", then turn around to check.:(


recycled sixtie 06-06-2016 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9149452)
Can't tell you how often I sit in the driveway, watch the garage door close, leave, get around the corner and wonder "did it close", then turn around to check.:(

What I do to preclude the drive back to check if the garage door is closed. The first time and only time I check the door before leaving is to say T on the ADT sign on the garage door. If I can read the T on the garage door it is closed or else it is facing the garage ceiling.:)

masraum 06-06-2016 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dentist90 (Post 9150245)
Hmmm... I thought those buttons were there just to give pedestrians something to do while the lights go through their normal cycle. :p

Right you probably are.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/02/10/placebo-buttons/

Not the whole article, but several excerpts.
Quote:

Your whole life, you’ve pressed buttons and been rewarded. It’s conditioning at its simplest – just like a rat pressing a lever to get a pellet of food.

The problem here is that some buttons in modern life don’t actually do anything at all. The magic between the button press and the result you want is all in your head.

According to a 2008 article in the New Yorker, close buttons don’t close the elevator doors in many elevators built in the United States since the 1990s. The website, The Straight Dope, investigated the issue in 1986 by asking elevator companies and elevator repairmen directly. According to their investigation, “The grim truth is that a significant percentage of the close-door buttons in this world…don’t do anything at all.” The reasons cited were that the button was never wired up, or that it was set to a delay, or was deactivated by the owner, or it broke long ago and no one ever complained because the doors eventually close whether or not you press the buttons.

Non-functioning mechanisms like this that motivate you to fool yourself are called placebo buttons, and they’re everywhere.

Computers and timers now control the lights at many intersections, but at one time little buttons at crosswalks allowed people to trigger the signal change. Those buttons are mostly all disabled now, but the task of replacing or removing all of them was so great most cities just left them up. You still press them though, because the light eventually changes.

In an investigation by ABC news in 2010, only one functioning crosswalk button could be found in Austin, Texas; Gainsville, Fla.; and Syracuse, NY.

The city deactivated most of the pedestrian buttons long ago with the emergence of computer-controlled traffic signals, even as an unwitting public continued to push on, according to city Department of Transportation officials. More than 2,500 of the 3,250 walk buttons that still exist function essentially as mechanical placebos, city figures show. Any benefit from them is only imagined.

– New York Times, 2004

Dantilla 06-06-2016 06:34 PM

Placebo buttons make sense.

A guy I know who has been the project manager for several commercial construction jobs has solved office complaints that it's too hot or too cold be giving the complainer a thermostat near their desk.

The thermostat is not connected to anything, but simply giving the complainer the illusion of control does the job.
In every case, the complaining has stopped. And the guy is looked at as a hero for giving such wonderful customer service.

Ain't the human brain interesting.......

manbridge 74 06-06-2016 07:58 PM

The buttons I've seen only allow for more time to make it across. I don't think they start some timer to make light change sooner. At least where I've lived.

Heel n Toe 06-07-2016 02:37 PM

Simple solutions:

1. Put a sticker just above the button that says: OUT OF ORDER
2. Remove the button mechanism altogether and replace it with a sticker that says: WAIT UNTIL THE LIGHT IS GREEN, MORON

rusnak 06-07-2016 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 9149408)
boy.

i ride my bike to work and i have bike crossing buttons and a myriad of ped crossing buttons. ours are fancy. they either say, "wait" or "beep" when you push a button.

what is it with people that stand there mashing the button repeatedly?
"wait, wait wait wait wait....................................."

i've installed those systems. that''s like the car backing up and back over the loop detector repeatedly .

i've yet to explain it to anyone..haha..dont want to get shived..

i wish i could program one to NEVER switch if you keep pushing the bottom..or program the electronic voice to say.."lay off the button you mother effer"

:D

I'm going to have to relocate two traffic lights, and install 4 loop detectors this year for the AM/PM. I think I'll throw a special "Russ" loop detector in there so that I can have a special green light just for me.

I'm also going to install an elevator to get to the second floor. I know I'll have a special key for that, ha!

gsxrken 06-07-2016 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9149582)
It never hurts to be sure of these things. I never flush the toilet until I have the stall door unlatched and I'm sure the door will open. I have nightmares about the horror of being in the stall with an overflowing toilet and a stuck door.

Laughed out loud at this one. Thanks !

masraum 06-07-2016 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 9151336)
Simple solutions:

1. Put a sticker just above the button that says: OUT OF ORDER
2. Remove the button mechanism altogether and replace it with a sticker that says: WAIT UNTIL THE LIGHT IS GREEN, MORON

You don't get it. Both of those would cause more work and aggravation. If you put an out of order sticker, then you'd have various nuts calling to ask when it will be fixed because it's been broken X long, or even calling in just to advise you that it's out of order. On top of that, the stickers and paying someone to install them would cost money. Removing the button mechanism altogether also costs money because you have to pay some one a lot more money than the guy that installed the stickers to remove the buttons. Then you also have to dispose of the buttons. Then you'll receive a crap load of calls from nuts that want to know why the buttons were removed or to let you know that someone stole all of the buttons.

If, however, you leave the buttons installed, it doesn't cost anything, and the nuts are happy because they have a button to push which makes them feel much better.

Moses 06-07-2016 03:22 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465341747.jpg

Moses 06-07-2016 03:27 PM

https://curiosity.com/paths/crosswalk-buttons-dont-do-anything-dnews/?ref=shv

Otter74 06-07-2016 06:42 PM

'Beg buttons' are really stupid and a symptom of bad design and bad thinking about use of the public way, but someone's got to be a contrarian here and I suppose it will be me - there are a series of intersections that I go through not-in-a-car on a regular basis that are equipped with Beg Buttons and, in fact, the ped crossing signal will only go on if you press them. Naturally, the lights for cars are not affected.

Heel n Toe 06-07-2016 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9151380)
You don't get it. Both of those would cause more work and aggravation.

I was just kidding, Steve. And green font doesn't seem appropriate for that, but if it does to you, let me know and I'll use it next time.

The buttons shouldn't be there if their function isn't posted clearly. Just "Press Button To Cross Street" or whatever the typical sign says doesn't seem like enough. Or maybe have the sign say "Press Button Once To Cross Street."

Opinions?

pcardude 06-07-2016 11:20 PM

I do it just to annoy people who get annoyed at the littlest things

Heel n Toe 06-07-2016 11:22 PM

Excellent... the world needs more trolls.

pcardude 06-07-2016 11:47 PM

The world needs more people who get annoyed at someone pushing the elevator button. Obviously.

pcardude 06-07-2016 11:49 PM

Anyone remember the thread about people not parking in the lines? I rest my case.

Heel n Toe 06-08-2016 12:10 AM

^^^ A braindead troll is a very sad thing to see.

pcardude 06-08-2016 12:36 AM

This isn't parf. Personal insults are not allowed here.

pcardude 06-08-2016 12:40 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465375182.jpg

I pushed them both. I bet your heads are about to explode from rage!

pcardude 06-08-2016 12:42 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1465375354.jpg
Feed your rage!

Heel n Toe 06-08-2016 12:48 AM

You're providing the board with an 8th grade level course on how to be a pathetic loser troll... that's a valuable service.

Please continue. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/eten.gif


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