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dad911 07-08-2016 08:05 AM

Why not upgrade to Win10??
 
Time is running out, I upgraded an older laptop, and all seems fine. Old programs still work. No crashes. Possibly faster, but probaby more from clean up than upgrade.

Do I update my main pc and other PCs?

I know the Big, Bad, microsoft shouldnt push upgrades, but are there any legitimate drawbacks to performance of compatibility?

bkreigsr 07-08-2016 08:16 AM

I was a victim of a robo-update and lost the camera function on my tablet, and the ability to change printer functions on the fly.
Booooo...
Bill K

flipper35 07-08-2016 08:18 AM

If you have an internet connection with data caps, you might check how much the upgrade increases your usage.

911 Rod 07-08-2016 08:18 AM

I'm a digital printer and would lose all my print drivers.
It would be Armageddon for me.

dad911 07-08-2016 08:30 AM

Thanks. Not sure how to check data use, but my camera still works (although I never use it) and my ancient plotter driver still works.

Keep them coming.....

stevej37 07-08-2016 08:51 AM

Best thing I ever did for my laptop..win 10 made it better than it was when new!

GH85Carrera 07-08-2016 09:34 AM

I did the upgrade on my home desktop computer. I built it myself and it is way over designed for my real needs. I had zero problems.

On several work machines we have programs that will only work on the original OS. Mostly Win XP Pro. We have dedicated computers that do only one task. No way will we ever upgrade the OS on those.

Joe Bob 07-08-2016 09:51 AM

Why Windows 10 sucks or Everything Wrong with Windows 10

recycled sixtie 07-08-2016 09:51 AM

My HP Pavilion laptop has crashed again. I don't know if windows 10 caused it or not.
Second time that it has crashed in the last year. Way too much hassle.

Am considering next laptop comes from Costco as they seem to have a great return policy.

beepbeep 07-08-2016 10:41 AM

You buy new car. You take it for yearly service. When you are to pick it up, the technician says:

Why don't you take the car 2.0 which we have here? It is better! We removed AC and rear seat though. And it has camera in the coupé which films everything you do, so we can know the customer better. Your old car is broken now. You must take car 2.0.

And buy the way, you do not own the car 2.0. It's a leasing car...here, sign. You must sign in order for us to let you go.

legion 07-08-2016 10:55 AM

You can shut off the multiple privacy violating features in Windows 10, but it takes some work, including uninstalling features and blocking ports. (Which you basically can't do with Google and Apple products.)

Por_sha911 07-08-2016 01:42 PM

Windows 10 privacy problems: Here’s how bad they are, and how to plug them.

Here's a deal breaker:
Quote:

The problems start with Microsoft’s ominous privacy policy, which is now included in the Windows 10 end-user license agreement so that it applies to everything you do on a Windows PC, not just online. (Disclosure: I worked for Microsoft in the days of Windows XP.) It uses some scary broad strokes:

Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary.

beepbeep 07-09-2016 12:43 AM

The worst part is: it doesn't really do anything better than Windows 7. It's more of the same, but uglier. And rented.

I run Windows XP on one of my laptops. Slimmed down, with majority of unneeded services shut down. It wakes from sleep in 3 seconds, allocates 200MB of RAM after booting and does everything I need (surf, print, run Vag Com etc.). Internet Explorer is removed, of course.

john70t 07-09-2016 06:28 AM

The sad part is Microsoft was becoming the most moral and trustworthy of the whole group.
I think they went the wrong way on this..

They should have rebuilt WinXP/7 from the ground up using titanium and flush rivets, and made it completely customizable.

island911 07-09-2016 07:17 AM

Actually, I have always seen them as simply lacking/behind the times. ...in the realm of Google-style insidious behavior.

Like the last kid to steal on a dare.

rwest 07-09-2016 08:23 AM

So, let's say that I was smart enough to come up with some super awesome do-dad on the CAD program in my Window 10 equipped computer. Could MS access that and sell it to the highest bidder or something?

Very hypothetical case as many days I struggle to get my shoes tied.

legion 07-09-2016 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 9192482)
The sad part is Microsoft was becoming the most moral and trustworthy of the whole group.
I think they went the wrong way on this..

This. Microsoft's business model was based on selling software. Google's is based on selling ads.

legion 07-09-2016 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 9192607)
So, let's say that I was smart enough to come up with some super awesome do-dad on the CAD program in my Window 10 equipped computer. Could MS access that and sell it to the highest bidder or something?

Very hypothetical case as many days I struggle to get my shoes tied.

In theory, yes. In reality, that'd be just about the quickest way possible to get their "privacy" policy invalidated by a court. No one would support the idea that they own your intellectual property just because you used their software.

rfuerst911sc 07-09-2016 11:20 AM

I downloaded Win 10 the other day on my dinosaur Toshiba laptop and I think it works faster. I am using Google Chrome as my browser. I really don't see much difference between it and the Win 7 I was running .

dad911 07-09-2016 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9191832)
Here's a deal breaker:


The problems start with Microsoft’s ominous privacy policy, which is now included in the Windows 10 end-user license agreement so that it applies to everything you do on a Windows PC, not just online. (Disclosure: I worked for Microsoft in the days of Windows XP.) It uses some scary broad strokes:

Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary.

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stomachmonkey 07-09-2016 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 9191589)
(Which you basically can't do with Google and Apple products.)

100% not true.

island911 07-09-2016 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 9192634)
This. Microsoft's business model was based on selling software. Google's is based on selling ads.

And controlling content, via control of search results; as well as selling trend data, etc....

Don't forget telemetrics of the masses. You want to know traffic, don't you?

Google thinks BIG. ...Orwellian Big.

john70t 07-09-2016 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 9192650)
In theory, yes. In reality, that'd be just about the quickest way possible to get their "privacy" policy invalidated by a court. No one would support the idea that they own your intellectual property just because you used their software.

Yes but the USPTO overhaul changed from "first to invent" (i.e. personal notes and intent to file) into "first to file".

A small inventor doesn't stand a legal chance against a large corp who mysteriously begins implementing an idea.
Coincidences..

Then there is attorney-client privilege and doctor-patient confidentiality.
But those already went out the window with the NSA.

id10t 07-09-2016 05:03 PM

Linux Mint 18 was released last week, that is the upgrade path I went.

At home I lived dangerously and did it live via apt-get, at work I took the opportunity to totally redo my machine, same with the laptop I use for teaching and doing my own homework

If your use case doesn't demand windows, why not really upgrade and Switch?

https://linuxmint.com/download.php

Porsche-O-Phile 07-09-2016 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 9192634)
This. Microsoft's business model was based on selling software. Google's is based on selling ads.

Actually Google's is based on selling your information to people who then target you with ads, obnoxious pushy marketing and spam - and selling ads.

I specifically block all Google domains using Little Snitch. I'm not saying there aren't others out there just as bad if not worse, but they're particularly obnoxious to me - they more or less invented "big data" as it has come to exist today.

stomachmonkey 07-09-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 9193153)
Actually Google's is based on selling your information to people who then target you with ads, obnoxious pushy marketing and spam - and selling ads.

I specifically block all Google domains using Little Snitch. I'm not saying there aren't others out there just as bad if not worse, but they're particularly obnoxious to me - they more or less invented "big data" as it has come to exist today.

+1 for Little Snitch.

Takes a day or two to train but after that it becomes very unobtrusive and does what it's supposed to do.

If you want to do it the geek way edit your hosts file.

But then you need to monitor for new domains.

Little Snitch rolls both into one neat little gui.

hardflex 07-10-2016 04:58 AM

I installed win 10 on my desktop and it slowed it tremendously mostly because it was constantly reading and writing swap file to my Hard drive. I reverted to win 7 but I ordered a 64 gig micro sd chip for about 15 bucks. When I plugged it in it asked if I wanted to use it for readyboost so I did. I presume that it's the new swap file location. Very crisp computer action the way it should be.

I'm probably behind the curve on this but if you havent tried it's well worth the effort. Maybe W10 would have been tolerable using this setup.

dad911 07-10-2016 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardflex (Post 9193349)
I installed win 10 on my desktop and it slowed it tremendously mostly because it was constantly reading and writing swap file to my Hard drive. I reverted to win 7 but I ordered a 64 gig micro sd chip for about 15 bucks. When I plugged it in it asked if I wanted to use it for readyboost so I did. I presume that it's the new swap file location. Very crisp computer action the way it should be.

I'm probably behind the curve on this but if you havent tried it's well worth the effort. Maybe W10 would have been tolerable using this setup.

That brings up an interesting point. My laptop has a 32g ssd, that appears not to be used by the operating system.

hardflex 07-10-2016 05:23 AM

You may have to turn it on by finding the dialog box in properties. Maybe some of the geeks here can give better instruction...


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