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Paul_Heery 08-27-2016 03:55 AM

Why you shouldn’t drive slowly in the left lane
 
I know that we have had many posts on this topic. It is one of my pet peeves. People in the US are ignorant regarding how to drive. They read a pamphlet on driving, maybe take some behind the wheel lessons but all really basic stuff. All with the goal of learning just enough to pass a test. I know that my high school was unique, but back then everyone was required to take Driver's Ed for 3 years starting in freshman year. The first 2 years were classroom only. Then, in junior year once you got your learner's permit you were able to get behind the wheel. That's now I learned. It has ingrained a lot of things in me, including proper etiquette on the road Now get off my lawn!

Left lane driving annoys me most of all. But, I found this video below that clearly describes why people should not do it, it increases the danger for everyone on the road.

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tevake 08-27-2016 04:49 AM

I came up on a group of five cars the other day, all cruising along slowly in the left lane.
I paused for a bit to see what they were up to. Just driving happily along, clear right lane, no issues, just driving all along together below the speed limit in the left lane. :confused:

Cheers Richard

Aurel 08-27-2016 05:09 AM

If cars are passing you on right, that is a sure sign you should be on the right. People should get out of their little world and get the clues around them.

Norm K 08-27-2016 05:27 AM

I haven't been on the Autobahn in a few years but unless something has changed, the video left out an important point. It suggests that the Autobhan"s lower accident rate is due to German drivers being smart enough to stay in the right lane when traveling slower than the flow of traffic. I'd suggest, on the other hand, that it has far more to do with the strictly enforced "No passing on the right" laws, which compels law abiding drivers to simply keep their place in line until the offending slowpoke moves over ... if ever. This cuts down on speed-varying lane changes which, as the video cites, are the primary reason for crashes.

So it appears that left-lane patience (something I frequently don't display as much as I probably could/should), more than anything else, is what the Germans have determined is most important in terms of preventing crashes.

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Porsche-O-Phile 08-27-2016 06:52 AM

Our society is not interested in safer roads, it's interested in handing out licenses to encourage people to pay lots of money to government agencies and big political campaign contributors like automakers, dealers, insurance companies and banks. "Enforcement" isn't about safety either - it's about the law enforcement industry justifying its own existence and of course, revenue.

Rawknees'Turbo 08-27-2016 07:05 AM

^^^

So even highway nannies driving like grannies in the left lanes is some kind of governmental conspiracy? Whoda' thunk it!

cashflyer 08-27-2016 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_Heery (Post 9257263)
People in the US are ignorant regarding how to drive.

No, they are selfish and inconsiderate.

I guess some small percentage can be attributed to ignorance, but in large:
"I was here first."
"I paid for the road and I'll drive in whichever lane I want."
"Screw you, I'm busy texting/faxing/masterbating."
"If you don't like my speed, go around."

Vipergrün 08-27-2016 08:34 AM

IMHO, everyone holding a license should be required to take a high performance driving school.

My typical drive includes going up/down the Conejo grade. Oh boy.

95% of the people on the road cannot seem to navigate a hill, rise, dip, curve, turn, etc, in the freeway without slowing down, tapping their brakes, etc.

I have been using the right lane more and more, the left lane is clogged with Prius driving, entitled idiots who go 55 mph up the grade and are completely oblivious to the fact.

My other pet peeve are buses, box trucks, gardening trucks, RV's, etc clogging the fast and/or carpool lane. Just because there are two more more people in the vehicle does not mean they should be driving there. EoR

BE911SC 08-27-2016 08:43 AM

As alluded to above, Americans are a competitive culture and we will not yield. We will drive any way we wish, even sit in the left lane and hold up faster traffic, and we'll get mad at the cop who pulls us over. Traffic circles in the U.S. come to mind. People race into them at speed because they are not going to yield. I call them Stukas. In Europe they also tend to do that but not because they are a-holes, but because they all know how traffic circles work and they're not trying to piss each other off intentionally.

Driving on I-5 between Tacoma and Seattle yesterday I watched a truck clot (more than four big-rigs bunched together) occupy all four lanes of the freeway. There were as many as eight of them, all jockeying to get around one another, and they had all four lanes blocked. HOV lane was being used by SOVs just to get around the clot. Never used to see trucks in the #3 lane, let alone all four. (Aggressive driving is way up in the Seattle area too but that's a whole other rant.)

I do enjoy my Europe trips. Drive over there and you may not want to come home.

atcjorg 08-27-2016 09:14 AM

the driving test should have some MUST get correct questions, like a full and thorough test section on right of way, and police that actually enforce it, and for all the a holes that see a turn signal to change lanes and close up the gap instead of opening up I hope that guy in the suburban you tried to block just starts moving over lol rant over carry on

Dansvan 08-27-2016 09:14 AM

My people! Lol.

I want a sign on the back of my car that says "If you're being passed on the right you're in the wrong lane!

pwd72s 08-27-2016 09:25 AM

A friend of mine called them "slug patrol" members...he's convinced they have a communications network. When one comes to his exit, he communicates with another slug patrol member who will then assume the duty of clogging traffic.

Considering this, I decided he was spot on, so I adopted the phrase.

Porsche-O-Phile 08-27-2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 9257406)
^^^

So even highway nannies driving like grannies in the left lanes is some kind of governmental conspiracy? Whoda' thunk it!

Not a conspiracy, just an unintended consequence of giving out licenses to anyone who can fog a mirror. In Europe you actually have to demonstrate some driving skill to get a license and they (unlike us) don't really have any qualms about yanking someone's ticket or not issuing them one. Here if the DMV ever actually failed someone they'd likely be sued for discrimination or whatever and probably would lose. It's a joke.

herr_oberst 08-27-2016 11:40 AM

The American public in general gets little to no formal education on proper driving technique, , sex or finances.

I have a theory that our highway system could probably be pretty efficient if used properly.

One proposal from some magazine years ago would give skill ratings to drivers. Only the highest rated drivers could use certain roads at certain speeds. (Of course, all of us here would be amongst the highest rated drivers!)

legion 08-27-2016 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurel (Post 9257299)
If cars are passing you on right, that is a sure sign you should be on the right. People should get out of their little world and get the clues around them.

Not always true, but often true.

As an example, I was passing a semi last weekend. I was doing 78 mph. The semi was doing 70 mph. As I was executing the pass, a pickup truck closed on me doing 95 mph+. I was taught to not return to the right lane until you can see both headlights in the rearview mirror--to avoid cutting off the vehicle you passed, potentially forcing them to brake. In the case of a semi, this is also to ensure that the semi can see you. The pickup truck behind me decided to attempt to pass me on the right before I had moved over.

I drive on the right, pass on the left.

cashflyer 08-28-2016 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 9257741)
The American public in general gets little to no formal education on proper driving technique, sex or finances.

Hey, now!! I'm ok at two out of three!

speeder 08-28-2016 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atcjorg (Post 9257545)
the driving test should have some MUST get correct questions, like a full and thorough test section on right of way, and police that actually enforce it, and for all the a holes that see a turn signal to change lanes and close up the gap instead of opening up I hope that guy in the suburban you tried to block just starts moving over lol rant over carry on

Surprisingly enough, Los Angeles has much better and more considerate drivers on average than other places in the USA. I've driven in most states and in some, between the drivers and the road surfaces, driving is a hugely unpleasant experience.

Here in MInneapolis, driving is not too bad w the exception of lane merging etiquette. People simply will not extend the courtesy of letting you in front of them. When I do it here, (such as allowing someone exiting a business trying to enter traffic), they look at me like I have 3 heads before thanking me profusely and jumping in.

Alternately, when I have my turn signal on to change lanes, (often into an exit lane), and a car tries to speed up to "close the gap", I simply turn into them. The sound of tires screeching and rims hitting curbs is like music to my ears. If someone wants to turn driving into a football game and run a blocking pattern, I'm in! I love sports! :)

atcjorg 08-28-2016 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9258548)
Surprisingly enough, Los Angeles has much better and more considerate drivers on average than other places in the USA. I've driven in most states and in some, between the drivers and the road surfaces, driving is a hugely unpleasant experience.

Here in MInneapolis, driving is not too bad w the exception of lane merging etiquette. People simply will not extend the courtesy of letting you in front of them. When I do it here, (such as allowing someone exiting a business trying to enter traffic), they look at me like I have 3 heads before thanking me profusely and jumping in.

Alternately, when I have my turn signal on to change lanes, (often into an exit lane), and a car tries to speed up to "close the gap", I simply turn into them. The sound of tires screeching and rims hitting curbs is like music to my ears. If someone wants to turn driving into a football game and run a blocking pattern, I'm in! I love sports! :)

I will agree with you drivers in LA are more considerate I grew up there when schools had drivers ed and driver training classes, sorely missed now. our favorite running joke between the wife and I when we see poor driving we say " a move like that will get ya shot in LA"

speeder 08-28-2016 09:19 AM

People in L.A. truly do not mind if you pass them anywhere, as long as it's a smooth move. It's like there is an almost universal respect for driving skill and those w/o it just back-off and watch. :)

BE911SC 08-28-2016 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9258621)
People in L.A. truly do not mind if you pass them anywhere, as long as it's a smooth move. It's like there is an almost universal respect for driving skill and those w/o it just back-off and watch. :)

Reminds me of my first driving trip to L.A. in 1986 with my college GF who was from there. Everyone doing 75, close together, but cooperating. Big change from the SF Bay Area.

Hawkeye's-911T 08-28-2016 10:18 AM

The so-called "new Canadian" drivers can & often are a bit of a problem here. I do wonder if this is a product of the fact they were not raised in a car culture. They are & seem to be oblivious to many of the common subtleties & courtesies of diving in traffic of which most of us are aware of & have grown up with. Some good points being raised here. I do like the idea of more advanced driving techniques being taught to folks before the are granted a driver's licence. Left lane hogs should be an important focal point for law enforcement types rather than wasting time & resources on some of the more candy-a$$ed transgressions.

Cheers
JB

rusnak 08-28-2016 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 9257741)
The American public in general gets little to no formal education on proper driving technique, , sex or finances.

I have a theory that our highway system could probably be pretty efficient if used properly.

One proposal from some magazine years ago would give skill ratings to drivers. Only the highest rated drivers could use certain roads at certain speeds. (Of course, all of us here would be amongst the highest rated drivers!)

Couldn't we employ hookers to give our driving lessons while wearing closed toe heels?

flatbutt 08-29-2016 07:33 AM

Here in jersey we have a "keep right pass left law". If LEO catches you lingering left you will be ticketed. I live near the Delaware water gap and have seen many PA drivers ticketed for not yielding the left lane.

Otter74 08-29-2016 03:06 PM

That bit about headlights in the mirror after you pass is what I learned, too. For cars, I wait until I can see both headlights in the rear-view mirror. For big trucks, I wait another vehicle width or so.

I do not want to make any claims about my own driving, but I discovered and read the British book 'Road Craft' when I was a teenager, and it definitely informed my driving habits in a positive way. Helps my cycling habits, too.

stevej37 08-29-2016 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkeye's-911T (Post 9258684)
The so-called "new Canadian" drivers can & often are a bit of a problem here.
Cheers
JB

Where is "here"?

herr_oberst 08-29-2016 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 9260331)
Where is "here"?

I'll wager a bet and say "Canada"!

SmileWavy

Alfasrule 08-29-2016 05:36 PM

I'm a LIGHT FLASHING, HORN BEEPING Ahole. If you see me coming down the highway and blocking my way watch out!
I don't care if your 5 cars in front of me. I'm an Offensive driver. Hit your BRAKES if I ride your "A" and I can stop better than you can, but you will NOT like my reply. Want to make a sticker
" Get Your Head Out of Your "A" and Drive"

I said it before Most people can operate a car, but CAN'T Drive a Car?

Big Difference!

Get the "F" out of my way or you'll pay!!

herr_oberst 08-29-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfasrule (Post 9260511)
I'm a LIGHT FLASHING, HORN BEEPING Ahole. If you see me coming and blocking my way watch out!
I don't care if your 5 cars in front of me. I'm an Offensive driver. Hit your BRAKES if I ride your "A" and I can stop better than you can, but you will NOT like my reply. Want to make a sticker
" Get Your Head Out of Your "A" and Drive"

I said it before Most people can operate a car, but CAN'T Drive a Car?

Big Difference!

Get the "F" out of my way or you'll pay!!

I bet your friends love to ride with you in your Alfa!

Alan A 08-29-2016 05:58 PM

NC for my money is the has the poorest drivers.
I've only driven in 43 of the contiguous states so there may be worse, but even in other states it's likely to be a vehicle with NC plates. Massachusetts is second, but NC edges even them.

manbridge 74 08-29-2016 06:38 PM

Weed tourism here has led to all time highs when it comes to bad driving. The blazoids drive wherever they want.

Jeff Higgins 08-29-2016 08:38 PM

Issue every driver a paintball gun and 20 rounds of ammo every month. The paint is only removable by a top secret formula solvent kept at State Patrol offices. Once you car has more than a couple of paint splatters on it, the State Patrol can pull you over and take your license, which will only be returned after you visit one of their offices and pass a test, at which time they will wash the paint spots off of your car. Individual drivers have full discretion in their use of their paint balls - you can tag the opposition one at a time, or go full auto and empty the magazine at anyone who truly deserves it. You don't get more ammo until the next month, though, so discretion is advised.

petrolhead611 08-30-2016 03:44 AM

I've driven in 31 US states as well as most of Europe,and I have to say that the driving standards on I4 in Florida have to be amongst the lowest I have witnessed anywhere. Undertaking is rife often into almost non-existent gaps such that the perpetrators probably think they are on the Daytona raceway, left lane hogging is frequent, mobile phone use hand held is commonplace.

GothingNC 08-30-2016 05:22 AM

Some drivers just do not care about the rules of the road.

I spotted a lady yesterday merging onto the highway and traveled all the way to the left lane and decided to cruise at 65 in a 70.

She also was using a space saver for one of the rear tires:rolleyes:

GothingNC 08-30-2016 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 9260539)
NC for my money is the has the poorest drivers.
I've only driven in 43 of the contiguous states so there may be worse, but even in other states it's likely to be a vehicle with NC plates. Massachusetts is second, but NC edges even them.

I think most drivers in NC were originally from NY, MA and NJ :)

SiberianDVM 08-30-2016 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothingNC (Post 9260916)
I think most drivers in NC were originally from NY, MA and NJ :)

And Mexico.

GothingNC 08-30-2016 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiberianDVM (Post 9260978)
And Mexico.

Yup !!

herr_oberst 08-30-2016 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiberianDVM (Post 9260978)
And Mexico.


And Washington State.

pwd72s 08-30-2016 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfasrule (Post 9260511)
I'm a LIGHT FLASHING, HORN BEEPING Ahole. If you see me coming down the highway and blocking my way watch out!
I don't care if your 5 cars in front of me. I'm an Offensive driver. Hit your BRAKES if I ride your "A" and I can stop better than you can, but you will NOT like my reply. Want to make a sticker
" Get Your Head Out of Your "A" and Drive"

I said it before Most people can operate a car, but CAN'T Drive a Car?

Big Difference!

Get the "F" out of my way or you'll pay!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8pXrmobUZk

BE911SC 08-30-2016 09:05 AM

Keep in mind too that the only power most people have is to irritate other people. Plays a large part in how many Americans drive. Can't compete and get ahead at your job? Then compete in your car out on the freeway. No power over your life? Go out and sit in the left lane and do 60 and refuse to yield. "How do you like me now?" running through their peanut brains.

"Look at me!" is another motivator for bad driving of the wreckless, high-speed kind, weaving through traffic. Lots of "F__ You" in there with it.

sammyg2 08-30-2016 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_Heery (Post 9257263)
People in the US are ignorant regarding how to drive. They read a pamphlet on driving, maybe take some behind the wheel lessons but all really basic stuff. All with the goal of learning just enough to pass a test.

I think everyone who paints with a really wide brush should have their licences taken away :)



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