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cantdrv55 10-13-2016 11:00 PM

I want to take up guitar. Where do I go and what to buy?
 
Please advise where to buy and what. I don't want to go cheap and get something that's difficult to tune but I also don't want to spend $$ unecessarily either. Also, please recommend a diy beginner's course. I've been on Justin Guitar website. Dude makes learning to play look easy. Is he legit or not?

Thanks!

ledhedsymbols 10-14-2016 01:38 AM

I've been taking lessons for about a year now. It's been money well spent in my opinion.

For online lessons, I like this website.
https://guitarlessons365.com

I have used Justin Guitar for a few things, and I thought he was a pretty good teacher too.

Gear depends on what you want to play. I bought an acoustic to start and make sure I was going to stick with it at first. After a few months struggling on my own, I asked around for a good teacher. It's been nice to have structure, and it has helped keep me accountable and stay on track.

wdfifteen 10-14-2016 02:44 AM

I've picked it up again. I like apple's GarageBand for its tuner and chord training. Nothing beats a real human, but my life isn't structured enough at this time to be able to keep appointments.

HardDrive 10-14-2016 02:58 AM

For an acoustic, I would recommend a Yamaha FG700S. Very popular entry level guitar. You'll be able to play it for a long time before your skills (and ear) will dictate getting a more expensive one. About $199 anywhere. Solid spruce top. You can get the more colorful FG720 for about $80 more.

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-FG700S-Acoustic-Guitar-Natural/dp/B000FIZISQ

T77911S 10-14-2016 03:10 AM

if you want an acoustic, takamine makes good entry level guitars. spend 4-600. get a nice solid spruce top. Yamaha made good entry level guitar but I have not looked at any in a long time. acoustics are good for building strength...and calluses.
electrics are a lot more forgiving as far as what you buy since they are easier to play off the rack and easier to set up. then you need an amp.

what I played at home was a line6 POD pedal board. I ran it thru a small Yamaha mixer. then I ran my computer into the mixer and played with headphones.
I used an audio program off of Roxio CD creator that I could loop sections of songs.
back in the day it was dragging a needle across a record and hoping to hit the right spot.
the pod is about 400, mixer was about 140. I never liked the clean sound from the POD but it was convenient. also does not bother anyone in the house.

livi 10-14-2016 03:29 AM

Looking forward to your first Youtube clip a la Docfluffer! SmileWavy

OK-944 10-14-2016 04:17 AM

As a longtime player of a Martin 12...I'd recently wanted to upgrade my 6 string to a Martin also - but was blown away by the sound and playing qualities of guitars made by Eastman, priced at less than half (sometimes much less than half) that of the Martin "equivalents."

And so...as someone who "does not want to go cheap," I strongly suggest that you take a look at the Eastman line of acoustic guitars. While my Eastman E-20D (rosewood/ebony/adirondack spruce) set me back about twelve hundred bucks four years ago...they have great models starting at about half that - and I'm sure that you won't be disappointed!

tevake 10-14-2016 04:36 AM

I've been at it for a couple of months now myself.
Have a neighbor that has been teaching for most of his life.
He is very generous with his time, and we are both enjoying the process

We both play acoustic guitars that we searched out on Craig's list. It took quite a while and checking out many, to find the guitars we wanted.
He had been playing electric only for some time.

Mine is a nice steel string G75 Yamaha from the early 70s, cost me $175 including new strings and nice newer case.
His is VERY nice niylon string Takamine with great tone, also from the 70s, he found a good deal on a quality, pristine, well made instrument with original case for $360.
Really the spacing of the of the fretboard of the nylon string makes for a bit easier time getting clean chords. I'm a bit green about his Takamine, just didn't want to spend too much at first.

Things to look for in a guitar are condition, good action, and good tone or sound.
Lower cost instruments are usually made with laminated wood for the body, which doesn't seem to have the sound quality of good solid tone wood bodies of more expensive guitars.

It's a slow process getting those clumsy fingers of the left hand to do as you tell them.
I'm working on five or six chords at this time. It's making the changes in a timely manner thats taking a lot of practice.
just got introduced to bar chords, whoa quite the challenge there.

I'm enjoying the experence, just a little frustrated with how slowly it's going. My teacher is encouraging me, saying it takes a while and plenty of practice to get the coordination and limberness going in the hands.
90% perspiration, 10% inspiration is the current mantra.

Cheers Richard

don gilbert 10-14-2016 07:49 AM

Go to your local pawn stores and play them until you find one that is pleasing to your ear and touch. I have found many a gem in the Memphis shops. Be careful though, could end up like this.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1476460141.jpg

tevake 10-14-2016 08:01 AM

WOW don Gilbert, going by your guitar picture and your sig line, Bro you really do get into things you love!
Good on ya!

Need to see some pics of that 75 targa.

Cheers Richard

craigster59 10-14-2016 08:19 AM

I have always liked the DVD's put out by Fred Sokolow. I know there are a lot of free lessons on Youtube but Fred's stuff will have you playing in no time. If you pick up the "Frequently bought together" package on Amazon you'll have a very good lesson in the basics....
https://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Blues-Guitar-Fred-Sokolow/dp/B0009GV9J6

As far as guitars go, you can't go wrong with a Seagull S6 for dreadnaught or go with a 00 which is smaller for a couch guitar.
https://www.amazon.com/Seagull-S6-Original-Acoustic-Guitar/dp/B000RW0GT6
https://www.amazon.com/Epiphone-Parlor-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar/dp/B009WU5SV0

BlueSkyJaunte 10-14-2016 08:48 AM

It's pretty hard to go wrong these days. Even $200 guitars are pretty damned good. We're living in something of a golden age of guitar quality.

scottmandue 10-14-2016 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by don gilbert (Post 9318992)
Go to your local pawn stores and play them until you find one that is pleasing to your ear and touch. I have found many a gem in the Memphis

I have found some nice stuff in pawn shops... although around here the selection and prices have gone sour (prices are up, quality is down).

I have good luck with craigslist... a lot of people start and lose interest then sell off their guitar for cheap... kinda like exercise equipment.
There are some good deals out there.

T77911S 10-14-2016 09:38 AM

stick with a name and a guitar shop unless you have someone that plays that can go with you to play one. I have shopped the pawns but I know what I am looking at and know (new) the prices.
you get something with hi action that cant be set up and you are screwed.
also have the intonation checked before you buy, you need a tuner for that.
like I said, takamine is a great entry level. taylor is a great step up but you are looking at 1500+.
as an ex-front of house sound engineer, taylor was ALWAYS a great guitar plugged in. never had to EQ one. we use to have this guy come in and play that had a washburn, I HATED that guitar.
we also had a guy that played an expensive Gibson, never could compare to the taylor plugged in.

berettafan 10-14-2016 09:45 AM

I am NOT qualified to give any guitar advice but I thought i'd mention the free app 'yousician'

my son (a guitar student) uses it from time to time. impressive.

scottmandue 10-14-2016 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 9319145)
stick with a name and a guitar shop unless you have someone that plays that can go with you to play one. I have shopped the pawns but I know what I am looking at and know (new) the prices.
you get something with hi action that cant be set up and you are screwed.
also have the intonation checked before you buy, you need a tuner for that.
like I said, takamine is a great entry level. taylor is a great step up but you are looking at 1500+.
as an ex-front of house sound engineer, taylor was ALWAYS a great guitar plugged in. never had to EQ one. we use to have this guy come in and play that had a washburn, I HATED that guitar.
we also had a guy that played an expensive Gibson, never could compare to the taylor plugged in.

I know some guys that play Taylor guitars and they sound really, really, really, nice.

I have an old Epiphone acoustic made in Korea (don't be afraid of Korean or Mexican guitars they make some good stuff) It played okay but sounded great, I took it in for a setup and now it is much easier to play.

I am a rank amateur but have been goofing around with guitars for +20 years so I know a good guitar when I play it... I have less experienced friends ask me to go guitar shopping with them. If you know someone knowledgeable about guitars that will go shopping with you I would highly recommend it.

cantdrv55 10-14-2016 05:15 PM

This place never ceases to amaze. Thanks for all the input, guys!

Don Ro 10-15-2016 03:09 AM

I have a new (registered) Martin HD-28V that I purchased ($2,654) to see if I could overcome the effects of my stroke - lost my "quick-twitch" muscles in my hands.
No deal...I'll never play again so I'm going to sell it.
Martin's best case, several packs of new strings, two tuning forks, a Shubb capos, an electronic KORG GT-1 tuner, Martin's polishing cloth, humidifier, etc.
Anyone interested? I'll fetch a Martin guitar shipping box...
PM if so.
.
Serial # 1579xxx - Registered with Martin & Co.
.
https://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/marquis-collection/hd-28v/

tevake 10-15-2016 04:51 AM

Damn sorry to hear that Don.
It's hard adjusting to the loss of the ability to do the things that have brought pleasure into your life. Can you still Sing? That may be a way to keep some muisic happening?

I'm still looking for something I can do to fill the stoke that surfing and especially windsurfing used to bring me.

I'm hoping if I ever get thru this beginner stage with guitar that it may bring me some joy.
What is that radio station from Prescott that you mentioned earlier that you enjoy so much?

Cheers Richard

dennis in se pa 10-15-2016 05:00 AM

The width of the nut is an important consideration. Especially if you have fat clumsy fingers like me. I have a Martin N-20 from 1971. Been playing for about 3.5 years. Practice makes better, far from perfect at this point. But I do enjoy the sound, and there is pleasure to be found in improvement. I found fretboard exercises help a lot in the beginning.

Don Ro 10-15-2016 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tevake (Post 9320037)
Damn sorry to hear that Don.
It's hard adjusting to the loss of the ability to do the things that have brought pleasure into your life. Can you still Sing? That may be a way to keep some muisic happening?

I'm still looking for something I can do to fill the stoke that surfing and especially windsurfing used to bring me.

I'm hoping if I ever get thru this beginner stage with guitar that it may bring me some joy.
What is that radio station from Prescott that you mentioned earlier that you enjoy so much?

Cheers Richard

Thanks for your thought, Richard.
I can still sing. ;)
Good luck with your guitar pursuit. Practice, practice, practice.
I had an engagement go South once, a mild depression set in, so I played several hours/day (off 'n on)...I was impressed w/my improvement.
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FM 102.1 - what a memory you have!!!
.
KAHM 102.1FM | Prescott's Beautiful Music

stevej37 10-15-2016 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi (Post 9318746)
Looking forward to your first Youtube clip a la Docfluffer! SmileWavy


Really enjoyed your prev clips....anymore that you have??
It would help to inspire cantdrv55...even the older ones!:)

Rick Lee 10-15-2016 09:38 AM

Here's my rig from last night's gig, but it ain't cheap.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1476553046.jpg

Go to songesterr.comÂ*-Â*This website is for sale!Â*-Â*songesterr Resources and Information. for learning songs. They have just about anything you liked growing up and, while the TAB is not always right on, it's pretty close. While it's important to get all the rudiments down and maintain them, if you don't learn songs you love, you won't want to practice.

sugarwood 10-15-2016 09:58 AM

Electric or acoustic?

Les Paul 10-15-2016 02:16 PM

Exactly Electric or Acoustic. Generally strings are set higher on an acoustic which makes it harder to play initially. But you do develop stronger fingers, better callouses from acoustic, you can slip by on electric making more mistakes if it is masked by an amp and distortion.

I've known several older guys that always wanted a Strat, a LP Standard, an SG. Everyone of those can be high end price wise is they are the real deal. I'd say set your price limit and do your research. Start going to guitar centers or shops that have used gear. Compare to prices on eBay. I found the deal of a lifetime on a guitar I would have killed for in 1967. The real deal at a GC.


Then there is the possible amp?

scottmandue 10-15-2016 04:51 PM

"IF" you are going electric I picked up a little Fender 'Vibrio Champ XD Tube Amp' off ebau for $200ish (no longer in production but you could find something similar) 8" speaker and one preamp tube with one power tube and plenty loud. You could play a decent size bar with one... my guitar player friend told me back in the 50's-60's that is what all the blues players were using (little 8" speaker tube amps).

It has hundreds of setting from clean to raunchy but have to be set with knobs on the front, not good if you wanted to change your sound during a performance, but plenty of fun for noodling around in the living room or jamming with friends (If you start performing you will probably want something bigger)

stuartj 10-15-2016 05:04 PM

The advice offered earlier regarding an entry level Yamaha or Takamine acoustic is very solid. Don't spend a lot of money, these guitars are consistently good, honest instruments that play well. If you take to the guitar, you'll no doubt spend a lot more on a higher quality instrument next time. And the time after that....

billybek 10-16-2016 05:33 PM

OK, you guys got me to get off of my butt today and I chased down a very nice Yamaha FG730S sunburst from Kijiji. Price was right and it is in very nice condition. It (according to my new tuning app) was very close to being in tune once I got it home.
Total rookie so it will be slow going.
Will start out watching video and reading but may look to a friend of mine to teach me some basics.
Thanks in advance for all the frustration that will follow! ;)

stuartj 10-16-2016 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybek (Post 9321829)
OK, you guys got me to get off of my butt today and I chased down a very nice Yamaha FG730S sunburst from Kijiji. Price was right and it is in very nice condition. It (according to my new tuning app) was very close to being in tune once I got it home.
Total rookie so it will be slow going.
Will start out watching video and reading but may look to a friend of mine to teach me some basics.
Thanks in advance for all the frustration that will follow! ;)

Good choice. If its a used guitar, a good investment is new strings (Get some Elixirs. Expensive, but they last literally for years.) And some one-on-one tuition is a great idea to get around some of the basics that can frustrate.

Good luck. Ive been learning for 40 years now.

Hawkeye's-911T 10-17-2016 09:35 AM

Good Luck Bill - stay with it & you will be rewarded.
Cheers
JB
a.k.a. "sausage fingers"

Charles Freeborn 10-17-2016 11:43 AM

https://www.homespun.com

5String43 10-17-2016 08:13 PM

With all respect, your question is far too open-ended. It would be helpful to have a little more information. Like, for instance, what kind of guitar music do you hope to play? Rock? Classical? Bluegrass? Folk? Jazz?

The instruments for each of these disciplines are very different. And so are the techniques.

Please advise.

billybek 10-18-2016 06:26 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1476800587.jpg

The "new" to me Yamaha.
About 8 years old. Couple of very small scratches but no dents or damage of any kind.

Doing some simple dexterity exercises and learning some simple cords. Found some YouTube vids that are helpful.

My fingertips are sore.....

billybek 10-18-2016 06:29 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1476800990.jpg
That's better...

tevake 10-18-2016 06:47 AM

That Yamaha should do you nicely Bill.
Boy I hear you about the sore fingertips.

Had a breakthrough yesterday. Did a play thru the song Country Roads.
I was playing along with my teacher, and for the first time I " felt the music in me connecting with the sounds from my guitar,

I was playing the song and it felt great!

More practice practice, practice. But now I'll be starting to practice some songs.:D:cool:

Cheers

Here is my early 70s yamaha
Richardhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1476801888.jpg

billybek 10-18-2016 06:56 AM

Nice that the old Yamaha gets to accompany you in the old motorhome!
Good to hear that there is progress eventually.

sugarwood 10-18-2016 10:03 AM

Fingers sore are like jogging for the first few months. It will go away. Must be patient

scottmandue 10-18-2016 10:24 AM

I would add +1 on getting some face to face lessons... a lot of things a teacher can help you with that will avoid frustration (hand position, finger position, posture, etc.) that you can't learn for books.

Scott "You're not very good but I like the way to attack the instrument."

Puma 10-19-2016 03:02 PM

I've played guitar for thirty years I've probably helped at least one hundred people start. Here's what you need:

1. A cheap, ideally 70's era acoustic guitar of any recognizable brand and is made of real wood. Last guitar I bought cost $36 dollars. Don't get an electric, you'll spend too much time fiddling and no time learning. Note that only very high dollar new guitars are made of wood.

2. Take said guitar to a Luthier and have him cut you a bone nut and bone saddle. Don't settle for any other type of material. Have the Luthier set the neck, action, and string the guitar. This should be at least $100-200. If the Luthier tries to sell you some newfangled "bone" find another Luthier. Good luthiers are older guys. Use ultra light strings.

3. Take at least one professional lesson so you can learn at least one strum pattern, circular picking, finger targeting, basic chords, and practice techniques.

4. Practice every other day and do it with intent. Good practicing leads to good habits. In six months you'll be rockin'. Playing guitar is really easy.

5. Wash your hands before playing, it'll make your strings sing longer.

6. Download a free guitar tuner for your phone. Easy.

Have fun!


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