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speeder 11-20-2016 09:03 PM

WTH is wrong w Mustang drivers?
 
It may just be a perception, nah...they are the grim reaper. Has any car in history mowed down so many people? :confused:

Came across this one this morning and had to detour around it: :(

Echo Park crash kills 2 pedestrians, critically injures two others - LA Times

Joe Bob 11-20-2016 09:12 PM

2 Female Pedestrians Fatally Struck By Car In Echo Park Area « CBS Los Angeles

DanielDudley 11-21-2016 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9366659)
It may just be a perception, nah...they are the grim reaper. Has any car in history mowed down so many people? :confused:
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I think a lot of people think a 400+ HP car will come back into line if you comepletely lift the throttle. It won't. Might as well hit the handbrake.

HardDrive 11-21-2016 03:01 AM

Lots of power at relatively low cost + young male drivers who feel invincible = mayhem.

Tervuren 11-21-2016 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 9366737)
Lots of power at relatively low cost + young male drivers who feel invincible = mayhem.

My experience at the indoor kart track - stupidity behind the wheel doesn't discriminate between age or sex.

SiberianDVM 11-21-2016 03:38 AM

Most of them grew up learning to drive FWD cars with less than 200 hp and have no clue how to drive RWD with live axle, LSD and 350+ hp?

masraum 11-21-2016 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9366659)
It may just be a perception, nah...they are the grim reaper. Has any car in history mowed down so many people? :confused:

As stated, they are cheap which means that young guys can afford them. They are probably the first performance car that mayn of these folks have ever had, and these days the performance is high enough that they aren't a good first performance car.

legion 11-21-2016 04:36 AM

I, myself, have been waiting for the right moment to mow down a crowd of people.

GH85Carrera 11-21-2016 04:36 AM

Many of the drivers grew up driving video games. Just hit restart game and go. They obviously have a real problem finding the reset button on the dash of the real cars.

I know Corvette's have crazy high insurance rates and I bet the Mustangs are going to match those rates soon.

T77911S 11-21-2016 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielDudley (Post 9366719)
I think a lot of people think a 400+ HP car will come back into line if you comepletely lift the throttle. It won't. Might as well hit the handbrake.

even more so with a 930.'
a very subtle foot is needed.
had it sideways several times under gas. lift enough to keep the wheels spinning but not so much that it goes on around.
also had it sideways going into a turn the other day. getting time to replace the tires


traction control in these new cars is the confidence builder. then the limits are exceeded beyond traction control.
my boss use to brag about how good a driver he was in his vette. I told him turn off the traction control and lets go race,

masraum 11-21-2016 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 9366790)
even more so with a 930.'

Fortunately, those cost more than a Mustang.
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traction control in these new cars is the confidence builder. then the limits are exceeded beyond traction control.
my boss use to brag about how good a driver he was in his vette. I told him turn off the traction control and lets go race,
Yep, they play a little and get saved by the driver aids, but those things can only fix some problems, not all of them.

Here's a technological wonder, but it didn't save these folks.

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mNv4IO6Uf6U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

sand_man 11-21-2016 05:13 AM

Pretty tragic "accident" :(. According to one of the interviewed locals, it sounds like a pretty dangerous intersection.

I always worry about me or a loved one being tangled up in someone else's "moment". Growing in up in FL, I saw elderly drivers, on more than a couple of occasions, mistake the brake and gas pedals :eek: I know that's not what happened here, but it has made me a little nervous when in pedestrian/bystander mode, around traffic.

Joe Bob 11-21-2016 06:37 AM

So, no comment on the profession of the witness in the CBS clip?

speeder 11-21-2016 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielDudley (Post 9366719)
I think a lot of people think a 400+ HP car will come back into line if you comepletely lift the throttle. It won't. Might as well hit the handbrake.

That may be true but doesn't have much to do w this incident, from the sound of it. Just garden variety, horrible driving. He could have been driving anything, but he was driving a Mustang. He was moving along at speed when it occurred, not spinning the tires coming out of a cars and coffee. :(

GG Allin 11-21-2016 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9366809)
Fortunately, those cost more than a Mustang.


Yep, they play a little and get saved by the driver aids, but those things can only fix some problems, not all of them.

Here's a technological wonder, but it didn't save these folks.

@ 1:41, slow moving Prius in the left lane. Just sayin'.

speeder 11-21-2016 07:52 AM

In the GTR video, it seems like Chinese monkeys are driving.

john70t 11-21-2016 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 9366787)
Many of the drivers grew up driving video games. Just hit restart game and go. They obviously have a real problem finding the reset button on the dash of the real cars.

I still like video 'games', but the 'simulators' are so much better.
I played the Need For Speed series but noticed the invincible bumper car was affecting my perception of reality: Solid objects were no longer threats (yikes), there was no permanent damage from collisions, and abusing the controls and capabilities was normal and expected.
The GrandPrixLegends/GPL series is the exact opposite: It requires precision and careful attention to stay within the range at speed. It is unforgiving and sometimes even finishing the race course is a victory sometimes. Make a mistake and it's instant game over.

I've always wanted Drivers Ed to have simulators covering every real-life complex scenario and how applicants react:
-Car doors suddenly opening.
-Children and pet running across the street in front of stopped cars in other lanes.
-Speeding traffic from the sides when entering a throughway.
-Who has right-of way in various situations.
-Highway behavior and when to pass or not.
-A mix of impatient/reckless/slow/normal vehicles.
-etc

pwd72s 11-21-2016 08:32 AM

I can't figure out how I've survived driving one of these death traps since 2009.

gorthar 11-21-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 9367083)
I can't figure out how I've survived driving one of these death traps since 2009.

Low testosterone? :p

Just kidding. Young guys with affordable, high horsepower cars has always been a volatile mixture. Probably always will be.

GH85Carrera 11-21-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 9367083)
I can't figure out how I've survived driving one of these death traps since 2009.

No doubt, it is your gray hair and more than a few years of driving practice in a 911! SmileWavy


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