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911 pic showing new & old size difference

That Porsche Picture Ain't Right, But It's Also Not Wrong

I saw this recently, and thought, WTF, that doesn't look right to me. I know the new cars are bigger, but come on...

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As far as I can tell, there are two kinds of people who are sharing the falsified photo. The first kind is using it to show how big and fat new Porsches have gotten, and they are putting caustic comments like "#JumboJet" in their description. But they're in the distinct minority. Most of the people on Instagram who are sharing the image think it's real and they think that the new SUV-sized Nine Eleven is just ducky.

If you're a long-time Porsche owner and enthusiast like I am, that should frighten you right down to your authentic Stuttgart-crest socks. Why? Simple. The 911 is one of very few sporting cars on the market to hold the line on approximate size and weight. Although the early cars were admirably light, even for the era—we're talking maybe 2,300 pounds wet for a short-wheelbase, pre-impact-bumper car—by the time Porsche built my 993 twenty-two years ago they'd plumped up to about 3,100 pounds. Blame things like power seats, side-impact door beams, and functioning A/C, not to mention the increased weight of the running gear needed to handle a literal doubling of horsepower between 1967 and 1995.

So if the 911 gained eight hundred pounds in the first twenty-eight years of its life, what has it gained in the twenty-two that followed? The answer is: about nothing. Fifty pounds or so, most of it in the wheels and tires. This is utterly astounding, even more so when you consider that the newest car is significantly larger than its predecessors.

If you look at the real photos of the first and last Nine Elevens, you'll see that the new car isn't really much taller, but it is significantly wider. This is the first thing you notice when you get into the 991-generation cars: the pleasant, airy intimacy of the original shell has yielded to a seating position and window profile that is far more 928 than it is old-school 911. There's more room, to be sure, particularly around the shoulders and elbows, but the new car feels like a big cave instead of a small greenhouse.

Also interesting: the current model only really looks like a 911 if there isn't an original 911 sitting next to it. All of the stylistic touches that we've come to accept—the wide fenders, the sleek headlamps, the tall tail with the very shallow-angled real window—those simply aren't part of the original design. In silhouette if not badge, the new 991 is really a descendant of the 935 "Moby Dick," which didn't share much with the street cars besides the A-pillars and doors.

How did Porsche make it so much bigger, more powerful, and more luxuriously equipped, without making it any heavier? The answer to this is long and detailed, but all you really have to do is close the driver's door on both an air-cooled car and a brand-new one and you'll have a general understanding. The former will "ping" shut, a unique noise that sounds like a five-ounce silver coin dropped from a second-story window. The latter will make a sort of plasticky rattling noise. Some people think that's not much of a price to pay for dropping the quarter-mile time a couple seconds and increasing the top speed by twenty miles per hour. Other people strongly disagree and that's why a mint-condition 1998 911 Turbo costs more to buy right now than a mint-condition 2016 911 Turbo does.

IIRC, the Cayman / Boxster is bigger than my 964.

Lower belt line is better.

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 9406097)

IIRC, the Cayman / Boxster is bigger than my 964.

Numbers below for the Boxster and Cayman or per Porsche. The 911 numbers are per wikipedia.

Yep, the 987.1 Boxster is 3" longer, 6" wider, 1" shorter, and ~160# lighter
Yep, the 987.1 Cayman is 4" longer, 6" wider, same height, and ~170# lighter

964
wheelbase - 89.4
length - 168.3
width - 65.0
height - 51.6-52.0
weight - 3031

993
wheelbase - 89.4
length - 167.7
width - 68.3
height - 51.6-51.8
weight - 3014

996
wheelbase - 92.6
length - 174.5
width - 69.5-69.7
height - 51.4
weight - 2904

987.1 Boxster
wheelbase - 95.1
length - 171.6
width - 70.9
height - 50.9
weight - 2877 (the S is 110# heavier)

987.1 Cayman
wheelbase - 95.1
length - 172.1
width - 70.9
height - 51.4
weight - 2866 (the S is 110# heavier)

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This is another slightly unfair comparison. That is my white 1985 in front. The telephoto lens makes that size difference look bigger. My car is indeed a lot smaller than the turbo that is behind me.

My 986 and SC are very similar in size when parked side by side. The 986 is slightly larger.

The Mazdas little sister the Miata

On their own a 911 sure photographs larger than it is, but it's not much bigger than a 356

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To be fair, a narrow body mid-year looks smaller than the wider body 993.

I took these photos myself a while ago.

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Not as dramatic from the front
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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 9406223)

A little Mazda 3

Yes, everything has gotten bloated over the years. I was thinking about this when my e28 was parked next to what now passes for a 'mid-sized' sedan. The current BMW 3-Series is larger than an '80s 5-Series.

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Note: looks like the wiper arms are mixed up on the silver one. I think the driver's side is supposed to be at a little angle and passenger side lays flat with bottom of windshield. Either way, 2 nice looking, well preserved cars.

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Originally Posted by porsche tech (Post 9406245)

I reversed the wipers years ago, they lay on the other side now. Will look into the arm length as an issue now that you noticed something might be different.

......aaaaaaand which one would you rather be in an accident in?

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 9406312)

......aaaaaaand which one would you rather be in an accident in?

The Volvo.... :p

There are many reasons to like a modern mustang, but the size and weight is not one of them.

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a friend of mine wants to buy a Boxster so , we tried out a 2008. Bothe of us drove it and it felt big, heavy, and less nimble than my 1985 911. She did great driving the car but, after driving mine for 16 years, it would take a long while to get used to it. Beautiful car, though and with the prices of the air cooled Porsches going through the roof lately, I wouldn't mind owning a reasonably priced one. However there's nothing that drives like the old air cooled Porsches.

^ Try a 3.4 liter Cayman. I agree that it is not a replacement for an air cooled 3.2 or 3.0 911. Nothing is.

But the 987.2 Porsche is the closest thing you'll get to that in a modern car. It feels like my 914-6 on initial turn in, and frankly, will outrun my 3.2. It will do things that I just won't write here.