What color was the sweater?

Owners of dangerous animals MUST be accountable.

"Connecticut woman mauled by Travis the chimp in 2009,
is back in the hospital for facial transplant rejection"...

Describing (the 200lb chimp) as 'my son', (the owner) fought back tears
as she said: 'He looked at me like, "What did you do?". A police officer
who responded to the scene of the attack shot and killed Travis (the Chimp)
when he clawed open the cop’s cruiser door and flashed his bloody teeth.

She later tried to sue the state of Connecticut in 2014, pointing
to a state memo written a year before the gruesome attack that
described Travis the chimp as “an accident waiting to happen.”
She was denied the right to sue.

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So let me get this straight. These dogs were bred to fight other dogs. Why would anybody think it a good idea to own one of these things? To expose children to it, no less.

I had a Doberman once from a pup. The most beautiful, athletic, intelligent and obedient dog you can imagine. Problem was that he placed himself in the beta position of the pack. That dog was not controllable by anyone when I wasn't around. This did not go over well with the stranger lady who knocked on our door while I was at work and ignored my wife's pleas to beware of the dog and step back off the porch. That dog bolted dragging my wife with him...

We put that beautiful, happy and proud dog down the very next day. We really had no idea what a liability he was. 'Wouldn't hurt a flea.'

LOL, I saw an interesting situation on the beach the other day. A pitbull took a dislike to a very poofy looking large poodle. He was chasing it up and down the beach and looked really angry. The poodle was doing a left left right then snapped into a 180 and the same again back down the beach. After about two minutes of this (a two minute round) the pitbull got tired and lost his edge then the poodle turned on him grabbed him around the throat, dragged him down and mauled him. Then to add the icing to the cake the two owners separated them and Quentin was made to sit and was told off while the pitbull got another hammering.

Peter,

What the he...what do guns...Oh nevermind.

Yes, there truly are mysteries, Peter.

No, it isn't.

Guns have no capacity to act independently. They are entirely predictable, operating in precisely the manner their handlers command with monotonous dependability. They are simply incapable of striking out on their own, of exercising their own free will. They are absolutely subservient, and subject to, the will of their owners.

As such, they are exceedingly useful objects. We can use them to defend ourselves from those who mean us harm. We can use them to hunt, to feed ourselves. Rural Americans use them every day to control pests and vermin on their properties. The list of legitimate uses goes on and on, well beyond just "killing people".

So, yes, many of us can explain gun ownership "beyond our right to do so". You may not want to listen, you may simply discount our arguments as "silliness", but that in no way serves to reduce their validity.

Your eagerness to discount gun owners' arguments as "silliness", coupled with your apparent inability to differentiate between a living, breathing, thinking animal with a will of its own and a cold, lifeless, metal object is just a bit troubling. I don't think you really thought this one through.

How about so that if someone decides to try to harm me I have something with which I can defend myself that was designed for exactly that purpose?

But back to the dogs. Mine's lying on his bed snoring.
My children are in bed, having survived another day without being eaten. Licked a bit, but not eaten. Guess the flavor wasn't right.

i've been bitten on two separate occasions, while out hiking. nothing serious, a decent nip, nevertheless.
both dogs were Rottweilers.
the owners couldn't have cared less, in either case.

It is amazing how you can guarantee such accurate information with so little evidence. I think you may be looking through Pit Bull loving shaded glasses.

Or you could just wear regular glasses and look at the picture.

Your justification is rather shallow. I remember a time when people judged someone by the color of their skin too.

I can't understand people who insist on owning breeds known to have these tendencies. they seem convinced they alone can fight evolution and DNA. if you're that darn smart perhaps you could spend some time working on curing cancer instead of trying to convince your neighbors that you are somehow sophisticated because you have some deep appreciation of a particular breed.

I was talking about the picture of the dog.

People still judge others by the color of their skin, every day, all over the world. Perhaps not every day, but you do too, though I doubt you would ever admit it.

River bottom trash can be any color Joe

No, not exactly. They were bred from a larger group of dogs in the working class. Some of these dogs were originally used in hunting, to chase down prey and hold it until the hunter could get there and kill it. English bulldogs were also part of this group, although you wouldn't know it today from their general lazy demeanor, as they have been further bred and are really not like bulldogs of yore.

Pit bulls were then used by their dip**** owners to participate in a sport known as bull baiting (along with other dog breeds) and that morphed through a few iterations of other blood sports into dog fighting. It's worth noting that the dogs weren't really the bad guys in this scenario, it was the worthless humans that wagered on this horse**** that trained the dogs to fight.

I hate to be the one to have to break the news to you that all dogs have an inbred ability to kill things. Give them a toy and watch them play with it. Sooner or later, you'll see them shake it, like they are trying to wring it's neck. Soon after that, they'll be chewing on it. This behavior isn't unique to dogs; any number of species knows how to kill prey and eat it. That's how they existed before they got on the gravy train and no longer had to worry about where their next meal was coming from.

It you think it takes a pit bull to maim someone, think again. Any large dog can shred you in short order. I ran across a video last week of a K9 Shepard that took a fleeing suspect down to the ground and within less than half a minute had done hideous damage to the guy's lower leg. What was shocking to me was that its handler didn't pull him off the guy, even though he was down on the ground and had numerous police officers pinning him to the ground. It was barbaric and I have to be critical of the police response to what was no longer any kind of threat to them.

I find it ironic how so many people fail to understand that genetics is only a small part of dog behavior. How they are raised, trained and treated plays a huge role in their behavior and that's usually where the blame lies when things go bad.

JR

By the way, you are 5 times more likely to die from setting your clothes on fire than from a dog biting you.

Perhaps you should run around naked.

JR

Here's a recent pic from the dog thread. Those of you that are not dog savvy, please comment on all of the things you see in this picture that are obvious to dogs and apparently not obvious to the clueless fool that took this picture and thought it was cute:


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Well at least you aren't in total denial, Java. I agree that usually a dog's raising, treatment and training are the causes of mauling. Key word is USUALLY.

Do Pitts get a bad rap? Of course. But my own experience is that dogs are unpredictable. Any dog genetically predisposed to mortal combat is not a good idea. Nor is running around naked, usually.

JR posted some valuable information. Most humans are totally clueless about dogs. There is a small percentage who "get it".

Funny thing is....a dog will love a human unconditionally. If they are not "Man's Best Friend"...I don't know who is.

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